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koi@kit
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May 17, 2006, 11:40 AM

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hi maxek..

u r all correct..

1.bio media expose to sunlight will kill the bacteria on them, its not the light actually, its the UV from sunlight..

2.media shudnt be air tight, TT bacteria needs a lot of air..

wat u can do is keep ur media in a container with a lots of small holes on the wall of ur container..
this way u can keep ur media away from sunlight and can have air exchange with the holes on ur container..


maxek
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May 18, 2006, 9:30 AM

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hi maxek..

u r all correct..

1.bio media expose to sunlight will kill the bacteria on them, its not the light actually, its the UV from sunlight..

2.media shudnt be air tight, TT bacteria needs a lot of air..

wat u can do is keep ur media in a container with a lots of small holes on the wall of ur container..
this way u can keep ur media away from sunlight and can have air exchange with the holes on ur container..

Thanks.
I just opened my container as much as possible from the north so I have a lot of air but not sun light.


larz1
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May 27, 2006, 11:29 PM

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This is one of my favorite threads and one I've learned much from. For a TT or Bakki shower to work well it must be able to breath with virtually no restrictions. This allows plenty of oxygen to get to the water & media (for the bacteria to live) and also allows for degassing of CO2 and other contaminants.
People use BH media, Lavarock, Kaldness, Bioballs, JMat, Plastic shavings, for media and all experience good results if the system is sized and designed properly. The main difference in design between the two types of systems (TT vs. BS) is prefiltration and flow rate.
TT systems need to have most if not all solids removed before the water passes through the TT column which need a minimum of 18"-24" of media to be effective and a flowrate of once per hour for the entire pond volume.
BS systems tend to be taller (more pump hp required) and the turnover rate is much higher (1 1/2 = 2 times per hour), but they do not need to be prefiltered beyond a simple settlement chamber. BS systems use multiple trays with water flowing through open air from one tray to the next. Most of the fine particles are minced and pulverized by the more violent flow and it is digested by the bacteria rather than removed by a filter.
TT and BS are not so much a "filter" as they are a "digester". They remove contaminants by eating them as food and rendering them harmless.


Roger89
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Jul 17, 2006, 2:26 PM

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hi guys,

This question has been bothering me a bit, I hope u guys can contribute your opinions

I'm wondering why is there a requirement to have spaces between the biomedias for the water to 'oxygenate'? I mean, if we simply put bioballs(which has some space between the 'pins') can't the water oxygenate this way too? Thus, it will also oxygenate better since the water is spread out(more exposed surface) and thin?

Thanks.

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Roger89
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Jul 18, 2006, 10:57 PM

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Can anyone answer me please?

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Koi38
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Jul 19, 2006, 7:08 AM

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Hi Roger,

Depends what media you're planing to use. For instance a TT or BS, you do need a good supply of O2 for degassing. For submerge filters either japanese matts, bio balls, etc, you need to supply O2 for the benificial bacteria to colonize properly and do their job. With no O2 good bacteria will still colonize but will struggle to keep up converting bad water to good water. Hope this helpsSmile

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maybank
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Jul 26, 2006, 3:27 PM

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Newbie question on Bakki shower

1. If it works so well and it is so cheap, why are so many people using alternative filter systems? Looks like at the most you only need a settlement chamber.

2. Is this statement correct - it provides mechanical, biological and chemical filtration - since users claim crystal clear water with zero of ammonia, nit and nitrate etc.

3. Where can I get it in Kuala Lumpur?


Much appreciate it.
Almost newbie


maybank
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Jul 26, 2006, 3:30 PM

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Another question since I cannot seem to find the answer here - the various literature claims it is maintenance free.

1. is it truly maintenance free? If not, how often does it need to be cleaned?

2. is there a need to do water change with this filter in place?
Almost newbie


Koi38
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Jul 26, 2006, 3:39 PM

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Newbie question on Bakki shower

1. If it works so well and it is so cheap, why are so many people using alternative filter systems? Looks like at the most you only need a settlement chamber.
BH media is not cheap as far as I know, well here anyway. That's why I don't have itPirate Some filter media is/are cheaper. Also the running cost to run the BS/BH like turn over rate and daily water changeWink

2. Is this statement correct - it provides mechanical, biological and chemical filtration - since users claim crystal clear water with zero of ammonia, nit and nitrate etc.
YES, once the BH have matured.

3. Where can I get it in Kuala Lumpur?
I can't help you on that, sorry. Maybe someone will chime in to show you where to get them.

rgds,
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Koi38
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Jul 26, 2006, 3:43 PM

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Another question since I cannot seem to find the answer here - the various literature claims it is maintenance free.

1. is it truly maintenance free? If not, how often does it need to be cleaned?
No such pond is maintenace free, IMHO. You still need to clean this type of media once in a whileSmile

2. is there a need to do water change with this filter in place?
From what I've read and heard yes, you need daily water change at least 10% I thinkCrazyWink


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koi@kit
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Jul 27, 2006, 2:24 PM

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hi Maybank..

u can get BH from KEPONG kOI at kepong baru.. contact vincent wong (owner) at 012 322 5111


hi grand master cifu jon..

very well xplain... the forum is 'dead' without u...heheheheh...

rgds
kit


Slapman
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Sep 6, 2006, 8:06 AM

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Firstly I would really like to thank DocRodConrad, and a few others who's tireless efforts, make Koi keeping so much easier for all the rest of us.
I don't think thank you alone will suffice, but Thank You, and thank you for a wonderfull forum.

Reading through this thread and taking my own situation into consideration, I have a few questions.

Firstly, I have a 27000 lt Koi pond, I live in South Africa.
it tapers from 600mm to the bottom drain which is at a depth of 1.8m
I keep about 70 Koi, sized from 15 cm all the way up to 85 cm
My filtration comprises of a 3 bag sand filter with a 1,1kw motor (+- 45 000 lt per hour), this is split into 3 returns into the koi pond, 1, is the surface leaf catcher, 2, is the bottom 50mm pvc pipe I plastered into the shallow end and drilled 3mm holes to blow the dirt on the floor of the pond into the direction of the bottom drain, 3 leading up to a 3m head where i have 3 Tetra Clearchoice PF-3 Gravity Filters which I use on an almost TT system, unfortunatly we have continous power outages, so i had to submerse them a little so as they alway have water, they then feed 3 seperate waterfalls, varying in height from 1.6 metres to the lowest being 1.2 metres.

Secondly, I have devised my own system for a second filtration system, this comprises of a .75 kw motor (+- 30 000 lt per hour), supplying the first chamber, this is a pressure chamber with gravel suspended about 80cm above the ground and I have a bi directional flow below it, it's pushing water upwards through a 20cm bed of fine gravel, then overflowing to the next chamber where i have 3 layers of japanese matting as filtration, and directly below that have about 800 nylon sponges used as biomedia, the water then flows downwards and then upwards again into the the next chamber, here I have placed about 10 meters of 80% shade netting used as bio media once again, above this I have Japanese matting again, then this overflows into the next chamber which comprises of mainly lava rock which I keep in bags to make it easier to clean, about 60kg of lava rock in this chamber, herafter the water flows into the last chamber where i have a veggie garden, used coarse gravel about 30 cm deep and planted mint, the herb mint, which is thriving, then it goes back to the pond via a 30cm waterfall.

I do a weekly 10% water change, i am fortunate as we have natural sping water.

I have had The big guys, or the 80cm + koi for 10 years now.
They are of no special AAA breeding but they are my kids after all.

My Questions:
1: I have to keep the TT filters mostly submersed in water as to keep water in, due to the power outages, should I change this and allow all the water to flow out, or leave it as is ? we go through times with 8 hours or more of no power.
2: I find the use of the sand filter to be quite easy as the backwash makes life a lot easier, whats your thoughts on this, as I have read a lot of bad publicity on sand filters in the Koi enviroment.
3: My water is crystal clear, I am feeding about 400 grams of food a day, but in the warmer months I am getting slightly high Nitrate levels. Our Summer here goes up to 35 degree's celcius.
4: Is Mint the ideal plant for the veggie garden for nitrate removal as I find it practical and use it in the kitchen.

I use a high pressure cleaner to clean the Japanese matting once a week, and do a backwash once a week, thats about it for the cleaning.

Any advice will be well apreciated, not only on my questions but on the pond as a whole.

I have had The big guys, or the 80cm + koi for 10 years now.

Again Great Forum, Thanks for All the Informativie information.



larz1
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Sep 6, 2006, 9:35 PM

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Sounds like you have a pretty effective setup if your water is crystal clear and tests are good. I would suggest that you go ahead and eleveate the TT's for maximum effectiveness. If they are partially submerged they cannot degass properly and it creates a space for anaerobic bacteria to grow instead. Even an 8hr power outage (that is a bit extreme isn't it) won't leave the media completely dried out. The biobacteria may suffer a bit of a setback, but it will recover quickly.
Apart from the pressure chamber your second filter setup sounds a lot like the type used extensively by our members in Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore. If you've looked at the Singapore Forum you know there are some very nice Koi being raised that way.
As far as the veggie filter goes, anything that grows well in it will be great. It is basically no different from a hydroponics bog, so why not grow things in it that are useable by you. Mint likes boggy streambeds in the wild, so it ought to do greatCool


Slapman
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Sep 13, 2006, 6:19 AM

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Thanks for the reply,

Just a further question,

What would the effect be if the trickle towers work on a 2 hour on and 2 hour off method, in other words have water flowing through for 2 hours and then no water for a further 2 hours ?

Has anyone tried this ?

If so what are the results ?

If no one has tried this what would you assume the effect would be ?

Kind Regards
Slapman


Koi38
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Sep 13, 2006, 6:58 AM

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What would the effect be if the trickle towers work on a 2 hour on and 2 hour off method, in other words have water flowing through for 2 hours and then no water for a further 2 hours ?


Slapman,

The TT will be useless. The beneficial bacteria will not colonize at all coz of lack of food for them to thrive. For TT or BS to work efficiently they need constant water flowSmile

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Roger89
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Sep 13, 2006, 1:55 PM

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Guys,

I got a question to ask. These nitrifying bacteria, once they eat those ammonia, nitrites and so on, they will their poulation. But what if these bacteria dies, what do they convert into?

TQ.

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Slapman
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Sep 17, 2006, 7:53 PM

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@ Roger89 ,I would assume waste, that would get filtered and washed out your system.

I have setup a trickle tower, working on a 2 hour on and 2 hour off method to see what results i can achieve if any, the trickle tower has been designed to allow an almost free flow of air, holding back a little moisture, it comprises of three 125 lt plastic barrels stacked above each other with only the bottom barrel, being submersed halfway in water with bio balls, the other 2 barrels are also filled half way with bio balls, small 2mm sprayers have been used to equally distribute the water amongst the top bio media, drilled 2mm holes in all the barrels for a free and equal water distribution to the barrels below, and drilled 20 x 2mm holes in the first and second barrel on the sides for air, as it will need to hold moisture, Using it on a test pond and slowly increasing the nitrate levels, they are currently at 10ppm, will get them up, and keep you's updated as to the outcome.

In theory the bottom barrel should allow for moisture to the above 2 barrels, when the pump is in the 2 hour off mode, lets see what happens in practice. the question here is can aerobic bacteria survive in a moisture type trickle tower and what will the outcome be on the nitrate levels ?



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Koi38
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Sep 18, 2006, 6:16 PM

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Guys,

I got a question to ask. These nitrifying bacteria, once they eat those ammonia, nitrites and so on, they will their poulation. But what if these bacteria dies, what do they convert into?

TQ.


Hi Roger,

Beneficial bacteria dies off too. They'll just fall off and get flushed. That's why we recommend cleaning biofilters as well not just the mechanical filtersSmile

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DocRodConrad
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Jan 31, 2007, 6:30 AM

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It is good to see this thread still here for folks to learn.

A few comments on some of the technical points above.

Bioballs are an excellent choice for both shower and trickle tower filter designs. They degas better than other media and never need any cleaning. They are also light and easy to move around when the setup needs to be changed.

Lava rock is the standard choice because lava rock gives a very high biofiltration capacity versus money spent on media, and provides its own trace mineral content. It does give gradual buildup of lava rock "dust" on the bottom of the system.

I have done approximately 70 separate scientific tests of various shower and trickle tower designs for my own use to build better homemade systems for my own koi. From those tests:

Shower filters exposed to direct sunlight cycle faster and to higher biofiltration capacity than shower filters with no light. This is apparently because the algae that grows on the shower filter in the sunlight gives extra capacity to absorb and convert ammonia and nitrate.

Closed side filters such as plastic drums are less efficient at nitrate reduction in direct comparison tests to shower filters with open sides. That is because the degassing of the nitrous oxide and nitric oxide products of nitrite conversion can escape to the air better in an open side structure.
Roddy Conrad, Charleston, WV, USA

(This post was edited by DocRodConrad on Jan 31, 2007, 6:45 AM)


Koi38
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Hello Doc RConrad,

Always a pleasure to read your input. We learn a lot from your comments/expertiseSmile


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ayranjim
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Hello, the Trickle Tower is the best that I have used! I recomend them to anybody! I notice that they are so SIMPLE that they seem to be hard for people to understand how they work! I have seen in many places that WATER TREATMENT PLANTS also use this system for water purification, although they are not in the form of towers! What I feel is important for a better understanding of these systems is that we are giving a good enviroment to the GOOD bacteria! So to some degree we must STOP thinking koi ( for a moment) and think BACTERIA!!!!


goldminer
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Bacteria have a wide range of environmental and nutritive requirements.


Most bacteria may be placed into one of three groups based on their response to gaseous oxygen. Aerobic bacteria thrive in the presence of oxygen and require it for their continued growth and existence. Other bacteria are anaerobic, and cannot tolerate gaseous oxygen, such as those bacteria which live in deep underwater sediments, or those which cause bacterial food poisoning. The third group are the facultative anaerobes, which prefer growing in the presence of oxygen, but can continue to grow without it.


Bacteria may also be classified both by the mode by which they obtain their energy. Classified by the source of their energy, bacteria fall into two categories: heterotrophs and autotrophs. Heterotrophs derive energy from breaking down complex organic compounds that they must take in from the environment -- this includes saprobic bacteria found in decaying material, as well as those that rely on fermentation or respiration.


The other group, the autotrophs, fix carbon dioxide to make their own food source; this may be fueled by light energy (photoautotrophic), or by oxidation of nitrogen, sulfur, or other elements (chemoautotrophic). While chemoautotrophs are uncommon, photoautotrophs are common and quite diverse. They include the cyanobacteria, green sulfur bacteria, purple sulfur bacteria, and purple nonsulfur bacteria. The sulfur bacteria are particularly interesting, since they use hydrogen sulfide as hydrogen donor, instead of water like most other photosynthetic organisms, including cyanobacteria.


Bacteria play important roles in the global ecosystem.

The ecosystem, both on land, air and water, depends heavily upon the activity of bacteria.
The cycling of nutrients such as carbon, nitrogen, and sulfur is completed by their ceaseless labor.


Organic carbon, in the form of dead and rotting organisms, would quickly deplete the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere if not for the activity of decomposers. This may not sound too bad to you, but realize that without carbon dioxide, there would be no photosynthesis in plants, and no food. When organisms die, the carbon contained in their tissues is not available for most other living things. Decomposition is the breakdown of these organisms, and the release of nutrients back into the environment, and is one of the most important roles of the bacteria.


The cycling of nitrogen is another important activity of bacteria. Plants rely on nitrogen from the soil for their health and growth, and cannot acquire it from the gaseous nitrogen in the atmosphere. The primary way in which nitrogen becomes available to them is through nitrogen fixation by bacteria such as Rhizobium, and by cyanobacteria such as Anabaena, Nostoc, and Spirulina. These bacteria convert gaseous nitrogen into nitrates or nitrites as part of their metabolism, and the resulting products are released into the environment.


Some plants, such as liverworts, cycads, and legumes have taken special advantage of this process by modifying their structure to house the basteria in their own tissues. Other denitrifying bacteria metabolize in the reverse direction, turning nitrates into nitrogen gas or nitrous oxide. When colonies of these bacteria occur on croplands, they may deplete the soil nutrients, and make it difficult for crops to grow.


Denitrification
is the process of reducing nitrate and nitrite, highly oxidized forms of nitrogen available for consumption by many groups of organisms, into gaseous nitrogen, which is far less accessible to life forms but makes up the bulk of our atmosphere. It can be thought of as the opposite of nitrogen fixation, which converts gaseous nitrogen into a more biologically available form. The process is performed by heterotrophic bacteria (such as Paracoccus denitrificans, Thiobacillus denitrificans, and various pseudomonads) from all main proteolytic groups. Denitrification and nitrification are parts of the nitrogen cycle.


Denitrification takes place under special conditions in both terrestrial and marine ecosystems. In general, it occurs when oxygen (which is a more favorable electron acceptor) is depleted, and bacteria turn to nitrate in order to respire organic matter.

Because our atmosphere is rich with oxygen, denitrification only takes place in some soils and groundwater, wetlands, poorly ventilated corners of the ocean, and in seafloor sediments.

Denitrification proceeds through some combination of the following steps:
nitrate nitrite nitric oxide nitrous oxide dinitrogen gas
Or expressed as a redox reaction:
2NO3- + 10e- + 12H+ N2 + 6H2O

Denitrification is the second step in the nitrification-denitrification process, the conventional way to remove nitrogen from sewage and municipal wastewater. It is also an instrumental process in riparian zones for the removal of excess nitrate from groundwater contaminated by fertiliser use.


Direct reduction from nitrate to ammonium (a process known as dissimilatory nitrate reduction to ammonium or DNRA) is also possible for organisms that have the nrf-gene. This is less common than denitrification in most ecosystems as a means of nitrate reduction.


Reduction under anoxic conditions can also occur through process called anaerobic ammonia oxidation (Anammox).

Anammox
-acronym for anaerobic ammonium oxidation- is a recent addition to the knowledge on the nitrogen cycle. In this biological process, nitrite and ammonium are converted directly into dinitrogen gas. This process contributes up to 50% of the dinitrogen gas produced in the oceans. It is thus a major sink for fixed nitrogen and so limits oceanic primary productivity. The overall catabolic reaction is:


NH4+ + NO2- N2 + 2H2O.


The bacteria that perform the anammox process belong to the bacterial phylum planctomycetes, of which Planctomyces and Pirellula are the best known genera. Currently four genera of anammox bacteria have been (provisionally) defined: Brocadia, Kuenenia, Anammoxoglobus (all fresh water species), and Scalindua (marine species). The anammox bacteria are characterized by several striking properties: they all possess one anammoxosome, a membrane bound compartment inside the cytoplasm which is the locus of anammox catabolism.

Further, the membranes of these bacteria mainly consist of ladderane lipids so far unique in biology. Of special interest is the turnover of hydrazine (normally known as rocket fuel, and poisonous to most living organisms) as an intermediate. A final striking feature of the organism is the extremely slow growth rate: the doubling time is nearly two weeks!


The application of the anammox process lies in the removal of nitrogen in wastewater treatment. Instead of the conventional nitrification-denitrification process, only half of the nitrogen has to be oxidized partly to nitrite. For the enrichment of the anammox organisms a biofilm system seems to be especially suited in which the necessary sludge age of more than 20 days can be ensured.


Other possibilities are Sequencing Batch Reactors (SBR) or gas-lift-loop reactors using granular sludge. The cost reduction compared to conventional N-removal is considerable; the technique, however, is still young. The first full scale sludge-water treatment plant using the biological process of anammox was built 2000 in Germany (Hattingen). As of 2006 there are three full scale processes in The Netherlands. One on a municipal wastewater treatment plant (in Rotterdam and one on an industrial treatment plant (tannery) and one full scale application using SBR at the waste water treatment plant in Strass, Austria.


Aquaculture nitrogen waste removal: See--> United States Patent 7082893


(This post was edited by goldminer on Dec 18, 2007, 4:37 AM)


Roger89
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Good post goldminer. Very educative Smile

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