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njin9
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Dec 11, 2007, 10:16 AM

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I have 3 x55 gal drums as settlement tanks in parallel before the output from these three merge and empty into my mechanical filter. These three tanks will taking in water at roughly 250 gph give or take 10 ghp for head. The problem is the system is pump fed.Frown All the fish crud will be slurry once it gets sucked through the impeller. Frown With fish crud being slightly more negative buoyant then water, I don't expect it to settle in these three tanks, even at 250 gph.Frown

1) Do I install a fine (1.5" or 3" thick) Jmatt 4" below each output to screen out the crud; or
2) Do I get brushes and swarm surround the output, hoping the brushes can filter some of the fine particles?

I just don't want all the fish crud slurry going into my mechanical filter, then into my bio-filter. Or is that inevitable?

There's a lot more details that I have left out, but this is the gist of it. What is the better choice? Brushes or Jmatt.


Tao BKK
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Dec 17, 2007, 2:21 PM

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Hi njin9,

For your case, I think we talk about mechanical filtration. In case of lots of crud, I prefer brushes than JFM. JFM is a lot easier to clog than the brushes.

Cheers,


norazli
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Dec 17, 2007, 10:12 PM

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njin9

Have you thought of using another small filter box just for the mechanical filter? I would call this more for settlement tank before it reaches the bio rings, corals, etc.

By having this I think it would help to reduce the fish crud from going to the bio rings (your actualy mechanical filter).

I'm thinking of doing it later when I upgrade to a bigger FB tank before going to the next filter box contains bio rings and crush corals.

So, basically you have 2 sets of filters.

Hope I'm not confusing you :)

For the material, have you consider getting the green sponge normally use for dishwasher? I believe it is much cheaper to buy those in bulk rather than a real Japs Mat. Try to check abangK thread. He is using it.

Rgds


njin9
Koi Lover

Dec 18, 2007, 2:20 PM

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1,2 + 3 are identical. Let's say "settlement" because that's what their primary role is.
They merge into drum 4 which is suppose to be a mechanical filter.

The media is still questionable at the moment because I haven't yet decided on static K1 or brushes. I'm thinking long term, how much work is needed to clean the mechanical filter. J.mats are definitely out of the picture as mechanical filters b/c there's simply too much work trying to disassemble and remove them from the drums let along cleaning them off. Because of the internal bulkheads and the opening (top of drum) has a smaller diameter (21.5") then the body (middle third is 22.5"), each layer will need to have J.mat custom cut in half circles to be able to enter the drums, to perform a tight fit, otherwise there will be channeling. Each J.mat will is only 3" thick, so I will need lots to cover the 18" void space between input and output. One J.mat(Matala) can yield 1.5 layers at $30US. The math gets expensive for 18". I don't have these so I'm not going to even imagine cleaning these out. On top of that, calculate, pick and optimize the density (4) of the mats to my application.

K1 is expensive. I need roughly 142 L for drum 4 alone. 50 L is roughly $85US not including s+h and brokerage. I'm sure there's a cheaper price out there, but I haven't found it yet. From what I know, static K1 will be self cleaning if it becomes aerated with an air ring. But with air, it becomes a moving/fluid bed which is a bio-filter.

The other option is brushes. Brushes are fairly cheap, durable and adequate.

Option 3 is ribbon media (Springflo)
It seems it's more like a bio-filter media then mechanical, although if you cram enough in, it can suffice as a mechanical filter.

Drum 5 will be my bio-filter.

Norazi
I was thinking of using the green nylon dishwasher scrubbies as my bio-filter.
The idea originated from Skippy's filter.
It was adopted and adapted by Jim in Jim Prior's Crazy Bio-filter.
http://leisure.prior-it.co.uk/build-diy-pond-bio-filter.shtml
I had this filter for a year and a half now.
I think it works great as long as I was able to prefilter (which I didn't do).
Cleaning these little pads was long and tedious b/c you had to wring each piece out by hand, slosh in a pail of pond water, and wring it some more. (Each pad over and over till it looked reasonably clean.)

That's why I'm so adamant about getting this mechanical filter right. It just means less work in the long run. There's also going to be TT'sx6 that will assist in bio-filtering, drawing water from either drum 4 or 5. Everything is being made right now. Just have to wait for ice to melt and winter to end.

Sorry about the long post,
I got carried away,
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