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goldminer
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Dec 27, 2007, 11:29 AM

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Garden type soaker hose cut into short lengths functions externally well as bacteria housing in shower towers, wet/dry trickle-cascade units and/or cyclone/vortex type units.

The history:
No Koi pond yet, still in the thinking it out, planning & schematic stage.

But, have near 30 years of hobby type experience raising / breeding various high end tropical fish.
Currently have 400 gallons of aquariums (both glass & acrylic) breeding / rearing Discus.


All of which are gravity siphon / overflow types into a series of plastic drums and columns of filter’s of differing configurations that drain to a sump, then pumped out for redistribution to the tanks.


Some years back I built a small DIY degassing /aeration /cooling column out of 4 (four) 5 (five) gallon plastic buckets held upright & vertically in-line between 2 (two) schedule 40 (forty) 3 (three) inch stand pipes, which shower directly into the sump.


When the Bacci shower phenomena came about, I thought, “hell, I already have a miniature one already running, except no bio-house-media in it“.
My first thought was to use bio-balls, ceramic or plastic pall rings or lava rock.

Pondering that the following day, while doing some re-configuration in my green-house to various soaker hoses I had running for irrigation.

I cut a piece of soaker hose, to adjust it’s length. Holding that little 1 (one) inch piece of soaker hose in my hand, I realized,

“geez, this stuff looks like it would make a good bio-house for bacteria growth“.

So, I cut a bunch of old soaker hoses up into about 3 inch (+/-) pieces & loaded my de-gassing tower buckets about 1/3rd (+) full each.


End result, (over time) was a significant improvement in my over-all water quality.


Something else I noticed about soaker hose pieces (at least, the ones I use), is that they are semi-buoyant.
With that in mind, as one of my drum filters is configured as a slow cyclone aerated scrubber.
I cut more pieces of soaker hose into short lengths & filled the scrubber unit about 2/3rds of it’s volume full of soaker hose piece.

Bingo, works just like K1.


End result, (over time), another significant improvement in my over-all water quality.

Attachments: DIY Bacci or K1 bio-house-media.JPG (39.0 KB)


njin9
Koi Lover

Dec 27, 2007, 4:58 PM

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Irrigation tubing is a cool idea and all, but it comes down to cost and all. How much of this irrigation soaker hose do I need to make 1 cubic feet? What is the cost?
When you compare cubic ft to cubic ft, what will cost more? 1 cubic ft of K1 in the US is 43.55USD. It's been a while since I bought irrigation soaker hose, so I don't remember the price off the top of my head. You can't buy it by the foot at most hardware stores. It's usually 20' lengths? But what is the volume yield if we cut it up 1/2" or 1/4". But how much would a person need to make 1 cubic ft? Would this cost more then K1?

Another consideration is durability. K1 has been proven to be strong enough to last under constant movement and agitation in a moving bed. I don't know if the rubberized compound in the irrigation tubing can last a season. That's just my honest opinion. I have nothing to back it up with. I just assume that rubber can't be that durable.

My 'cheap guy' solution is plastic bottle caps(Coke, Pepsi and water bottles.) I've 'dremel'ed crosses into the cap so it doesn't hold water. It's buoyant, so it floats and will be agitated with air like K1. I know that this plastic is durable and will hold up through several seasons of filtering. It's also UV resistant too (not that I intend to leave my filter exposed to the sun). Did I mention it's cheap? More like free, b/c I reuse them instead of recycle them. I know that they are larger then K1. And I'm not going to even try to calculate surface area.

I've also heard someone was using clothes rack hanger tabs (S,M,L,XL) as K1 substitutes.

To each their own, but it would be nice to let others know how well other medias compare to K1 in terms of size, efficiency, performance and cost.

If I had the money to spare, I would not hesitate to buy K1. Proven media. One less thing to worry about.



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goldminer
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Dec 27, 2007, 11:32 PM

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Soaker hose is generally made of 65 to 75% recycled tire material (very tough synthetic rubber polymers) , the remainder being primarily polyethylene thermoplastic (like plastic bottle caps, bottle crates & milk jugs). Both of which are extremely durable, UV resistant & in combination with each other, relatively flexible. Wear, tear & deterioration is not a factor, anymore so than normal bio-balls used in any bio-filter system. Matter of fact, most bio-balls are very brittle, compared to this material.

As for cost per cubic foot. That depends on where your find soaker hose (new or used). You can often find used soaker hose at garage sales, thrift stores, recycle centers & the like. In which case you are only talking about a few dollars (usd) per cubic foot. If you want new & in bulk, you can order huge rolls (up to 1000 feet) from any number of wholesale landscaping, garden supply, or even the soaker hose manufactures themselves, at fairly low prices. You can find it in 3/8ths, 5/8ths, 3/4 & 1 inch diameter.

In the same vein, I have used monofilament mesh type pot scrubbers as bio-house material for several years. Which are very durable & have about 150 to 300 times the surface area of bio-balls. Yet, are not prone to clogging, plugging, or deterioration. The cost per cubic foot is only about $12 or $15 dollars (usd) if bought in bulk from import wholesalers, that supply merchandise to USA Dollar type stores.

Along the same lines & at the very pinnacle of bio-housing material is low grade Diatomite rock. Lower grades of Diatomite rock (not to be confused with pure grades of friable/soft chalk like commercial filter type diatomite) is primarily composed of the fossilized skeletal remains of microscopic single-celled aquatic plants called diatoms. Fresh water diatom skeletal remains are composed of “amorphous (not cancer causing) silicon dioxide (that silica, in this case = opal).

Diatoms skeletal framework is generally tubular in shape, from 5 to 100 microns in size, light, rigid, exceptionally porous, and this grade of Diatomite rock can generally hold 100% of its weight in water.

Most bacteria measure from 0.2 - 0.3 microns in diameter and can be seen only through a microscope (1 micron equals 0.001 millimeters), or about 1/25,000 of an inch across.
Given the characteristics of this type rock (very light weight, inert & micro-porous ) & the size/environmental characteristics of desirable bacteria (both aerobic & anaerobic), this type rock can be colonized externally, as well as internally.

In this case aerobic bacteria prefer the surface, near surface & anaerobic bacteria prefer the deeper interior. So, you have the very best of both worlds, in one bio housing media.
I mention this, as low grade Diatomite rock is a waste product of filter grade diatomite mining operations.

So, if you know where to find it, you can usually get tons of it, FOR FREE. Matter of fact, I found a ½ million ton supply for free.

Same goes for Zeolite rock, which will absorb ammonia. It’s free, if you know where/how to find it.
I built several PVC pipe stacked columns (like canisters) 4 foot in length, filled with ¾ minus Zeolite rock..
Which, I can divert system water into & through, to control ammonia spikes, should they ever occur.

If you wonder, I am a retired mining engineer. So, at least for me, finding / acquiring these sorts of rock, was an easy inexpensive task.

By no means am I cheap. Frugal would be a far better word. I would not risk $30K++ of fish, using some mickey mouse, or not well thought out filter media.

In fact to insure my investment in just a few hundred gallon discus breeding / rearing system, I run double redundant bio/media filter systems, with double redundant pumps. One at about 5% of it’s capacity, one at full capacity. That way, both are, and remained seasoned & I can switch from one to the other. In case one requires repair, modification, or maintenance. Backing that up is a separate emergency mechanical filter system, if need be. Along with an emergency gas generator, in case of electrical power loss, just to cover all the bases.

Cost factors have a lot to do with ones ability to find / acquire whatever it is they seek, at prices they are willing to pay. In my case, you cannot beat FREE. Except the time spent, finding it free.
Being retired, except for attending a few annual board or stock holder meetings, for a day or two. I have a lot of spare time, all year long.
Moreover, I enjoy the hunt for the most optimal (insert whatever) that exists & gain considerable pleasure, if I can get it at the very lowest possible price, or free.



(This post was edited by goldminer on Dec 28, 2007, 12:53 AM)
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njin9
Koi Lover

Dec 28, 2007, 3:05 PM

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Sorry if I offended you. You're way more knowledgeable and experience then 10 of me combined.

Yeah, cheap isn't the word. Your selection of 'FRUGAL' is more appropriate.
I am a frugal person. I have other priorities, and koi and it's keeping has to take second place right now.

I'm thankful of your explanation of the soaker hose: it's components and durability. It makes complete sense. But cost is a factor. I wish I can order a 1000' of saker hose, or figure out a place to pick some up for relatively cheap. I don't even know where to begin other then asking the guys at the municipality recycling centre. I seriously doubt if they know what I'm asking for (not that I'm trying to belittle their intelligence). It's not the best place to look, or the time of season. Besides I don't see most people recycling them. Extra is either in storage for further use, or tossed in the trash. I guess I'll have to start getting up early in spring to go Garage sale hopping. No more weekend sleeping in.

I'm actually using the monofilament(plastic?) mesh type pot scrubbers as a coarse filter right now (after reading your earlier article). It's intended to be a stage 1 of a bio-filter media like a rough J.Mat. The second stage would be the green flat dishwashing nylon scrubby (used in Skippy filers) to clean and polish the water of the finer suspended particles. I've used shower puffs before, but they don't hold their shape well under the constant pressure of water. Although cleaning it was easy. Can't say cleaning the green nylon 'Skippy' scrubby as easy though. Any ideas?

Hope we are ok. Didn't mean to make you upset.



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goldminer
Koi Lover

Dec 29, 2007, 3:41 AM

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No offense taken.
Actually, my fault for not explaining what “soaker hose” is made of & where it can be found.
I investigated what soaker hose is made of, before putting it to use.
Simply because I did not want to use anything possibly toxic, or that might disintegrate, in my filter system.

One difficulty on any discussion board, when you have people from all over the world posting.
Is that things easy to find at reasonable prices in one place, or country.
Are not to be found, or are very expensive, in another part of the world.

For instance, as another hobby, I raise orchids in a green house.
I use glass mason type pint & quart wide mouth canning jars as sterile media containers.
Which are cheap & easy to find here.
I found that those same glass jars are near impossible to find in UK & other parts of the world.
So, what is easy to find & inexpensive to acquire in one place, is not in another.

I live in the State of Nevada, USA.
It is very ARID here, not to mention HOT summers & COLD winters.
Water is a scarce & a very expensive commodity here.
So much so, in the last few years, we even have summer time restrictions on watering our lawns.
So, soaker hose is common-place here.
By no means is “soaker hose” the do “all-be all” bio-house-media either.
I only mentioned it, because it works.

You might also do a google search on “pall rings” (random tower packing).
Most plastic ones are very effective bio-housing media, if you can find them at a decent price.
(see attachment jpg’s for what “pall rings” look like)

I enjoy the “DIY” aspect of all this. As it has an extensive learning curve & you never know.
One of us DIY guys might just hit on something, more effective, at lower cost than what exists.

Attachments: random packing pall rings.JPG (36.8 KB)
  pall rings.JPG (28.7 KB)

 
 
 



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