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chriswu3311
Koi Lover

May 29, 2008, 1:25 PM

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Hi vince, May i know where r u from? Sure i will pay u back, i can deposit into yr acc. if i want to buy.
Pls let me know wat brand is tat? how it look?

vince68
Koi Lover

May 29, 2008, 1:50 PM

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i'm from KL. I just called my regular fish shop, apparently they have many types, the one that i used apparently was made in China but supposedly the better lot than the China made. I have been using for the past 1 year and its still working.

He will let me know the brand as he cant remember off hand. Prices for 30W about RM150, 20W is about RM130. The length for 30 W is about 3 ft, if u filter depth is low, u may have to use 20W. Since its not that expensive, u might as well get 2 of 20W and once your water is clear, u can keep one for spare. They also have Laguna brand made in US but it cost about RM450 to RM500. Apparently, its lifespan is worst that made in china? not sure but thats what he said.

It looks like those aquarium heater, something like our flouresent light with wire from one end. U need to just tie it to one of your PVC pipes in your filter and leave it vertically.

Not sure anyone else in the forum has better and cheaper alternative.

I may be qoing to Arowana Aquarium and maybe Atari this weekend and will check out the prices. I believe they will be more expensive that the one quoted.

Will let u know the brand.

koi@kit
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May 29, 2008, 1:52 PM

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hi chris..

noted.. thanks.. Smile

Epal63
Koi Lover

May 29, 2008, 1:58 PM

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He will let me know the brand as he cant remember off hand. Prices for 30W about RM150, 20W is about RM130.

Hi Vince, i'm also from KL. I got mine 20W for RM120. So, the price they quoted you is reasonable. Sorry, i think it was RM130 listprice but I asked for a discount.

(This post was edited by Epal63 on May 29, 2008, 2:00 PM)

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

May 29, 2008, 2:12 PM

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Thanks vince, i think i m not going to bothering u rite now.
But if my new bought uv light is not working after 2weeks then i will ask u to get one for me.
The uv light u r using now is submerse 1? is tat need to install a pump to run the water pass inside the uv light?

vince68
Koi Lover

May 29, 2008, 2:35 PM

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yes, summersible, no pump required. its just like putting a flourescent light into the filter chamber.

With the discount on AIr Asia and now MAS, make some booking for regular visit to KL!!! tell your wife, its meant for her to go shopping, ha ha then u do yours.

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

May 29, 2008, 3:18 PM

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Searching on Air asia now...kekekek..... Wink

Shall b there on sept.... my sis is in k.l, i hav to ask her first see whether she has free or not.
I like to go k.l shopping, not at shopping mall but in fish shop... heheheh....

riolow
Koi Lover

May 30, 2008, 12:45 AM

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hi chris..

settlement chamber suppose to b empty, not fill with brushes.. Sly

.. may b 1 or 2 row is fine ..

personally i think UV at the last chamber will not b as good.. well.. i might b wrong, lets hear from some other suggestions...

Hi all... wow... jst few days... hav so many koi friend jointed tis post n jst say Hi to all of U Wink

At, 1st I do agree tat cleaning the filter media too often is not gd for gd bact... as gd bact need ammonia as their food Tongue

... bt flushing the water at filter it's fine for the filter... n I personally think tat how often flushing is also matter, as all depend filter size, no. of kois, food feeding (grow food or colour... as grow usually more oily) & etc.... So, for my case as my filter only is near 10% of the pond... so, if I flush it or clear it once a mth.... maybe not enough, as we usually recomend 30% filter... so if 30% can last once per mth for flushing ler, so my 10 % can last for...hmmm.... almost every wk lor... (as now I also feed my kois wth Hikari grow n no using UV light)...

I had also ask chris n know tat his filter (30%) n WC ratio (1st per mth)... for me it is ok (jst flushig)... jst He added new water wthout anti-chorine... as we know chorine wil kill gd bact... so, it's difficult for his filter to grow sufficient gd bact for his pond... similar to we use tape water to wash our bio media n wil kill gd bact...

Abt why we need water chance... coz can reduce the nitrate concentration in the water... by wth right ratio ler...

Abt the UV light... I feel tat better dont depend on it so much... as I was told tat UV light is harmful to living tissue... so to gd bact... bt it's all depend the light output as well... as UV clarifier / surface UV light will affect the green algee cells... while, submersible UV light wil kil some bact n parasites in the water (only guess, pls correct me tq)... so, if U wan to keep gd bact then put U UV at the 1st chamber... as it kill som bact n parasites in the water frm pond... n then 'pure' water wil flow to bio media... n gd bact wil flow back to pond, if U hav green water problem... coz water green we dont know wat was happened to our kois (pls comment, as personal concept ler Wink

)

However, if U hav gd filter n enough gd bact for u pond... then better dont use UV light... as algae is also gd for little live stock... n koi love little live stock... n also gd for the koi's immune system... coz tat in jp, koi breeders also keep their quality kois in mud pond... (it's jst all think ler, pls correct me, if I wrong... Smile

)...

Anyway, I feel great tat hav 'kaki' here to help our 'kaki'... so next time, if I need 'kaki' help... then friendly 'kaki' know how to do lor? Sly

...

Gd Nite to all gd 'kaki'

(This post was edited by riolow on May 30, 2008, 1:25 AM)

vince68
Koi Lover

May 30, 2008, 9:59 AM

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hi rio, heard from Chris that he have been having this problem from day one and it now been over a year hence thought to share my personal experience since we both have almost similar size pond and maybe i'm not that great a hobbist coz a little too tired compared to the beginning where i spent so much time in maintaining the pond.

In short, today, despite not spending that much time maintaining the pond, my water parameters are good, fishes are super healthy and touch wood not problem whatsoever except some disease which i experienced at the beginning which i have since learn a lot and has some little skills in curing them and success stories. Though it may seem that i'm one of the few that is lazy, ie flush only once in 1 or 2 months, cleaning media only once in 6 to 9 months compared to the rest that i read through various post, does flushing every week and so on.

There is no right or wrong but thought since i have no problems despite the laziness, hence just wanted Chris to take a break as from the post, i think he has done whatever others advise and yet having the same problem.

Hence, thought the root of the problem maybe just in front of him without him knowing!! ie changing the filter position, cleaning, etc just too often wihtout giving the bacteria a chance to even go through the real cycle. UV is a supplement to resolve his Green water problem and he should have it now until things are stabilised maybe 6 to 12 months down the road and not 2 weeks.

Anyway, good to hear many good people around helping each other with this hobby and now i really understand how such hobby can bring people together. Again, no offence as its just input from my personal experience which maybe wrong since am quite new compared to many who have been in this for years or century....

great to know all of u...of coz thru cyber world

riolow
Koi Lover

May 31, 2008, 12:26 AM

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Hi vince,

Yes, I do agree wth U too... as WC to often n change media position is nt gd for growing gd bact... again, I also used UV light when the yet to have enough gd bact... jst I cant stop meself busy wth my koi n pond... I'm too pasion ler Blush

Also if the water is green, we also cant know whether the kois r fine n hav to feed how many food to them... Unsure

...

Anyway, if I'm chris... I also will install UV light.... Tongue

By the way, hav any 1 of u DIY the PS before? like Chris 1 or etc... As I did 1 be4 n it's not working ler... jst got water out not waste... (will attached photo later... )

Great to know all of you too - Koi Lover... in this wed-site Smile

Gd nite

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

May 31, 2008, 10:53 AM

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Hi all,

Finally i hav done my diy 20w uv light last nite and i installed at the same time on the top of the filter chamber.

My diy uv light

My pond water now 31-05-08

Day 2 (01-06-08) I can c the water is getting clear.

Day 3 can see the bottom (02-06-08)

Day 5 (04-06-08)

Day 6 (05-06-08)

Day 8 (07-06-08) seem the water is not much different with day 6, hope will turn crystal clear later...

Day 14 (13-06-08)

2 weeks after turn off uv light (28-06-08)

(This post was edited by chriswu3311 on Jun 28, 2008, 2:27 PM)

riolow
Koi Lover

May 31, 2008, 9:47 PM

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Chris,
hey man, cool... used PVC pipe as casing...

anyway, keen to hear tat U water wil turn clear again... Smile

Gd nite

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

Jun 1, 2008, 10:59 AM

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Ya, tat is a used 8" pvc pipe i toke from my farm...
i cut it into 2 and place the aluminium reflector on it then install the whole set of uv light with holder.
After 2days running with the uv light, i can see the pond water is turning clear.... tat is not i expected.
pls see the pics above... to compare the photos i toke Day 1 & 2... Wink

will keep update until the water turn clear.

One thing i shld say now, I m very appreciate and many thanks to all sifus here to help me a lot, especially Riolow, vince68, Epal63 and Koi@kit.... Cool

vince68
Koi Lover

Jun 2, 2008, 10:50 AM

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happy to hear that but lets monitor and see how it goes in weeks and months later.

Suggest if u could try to cover those edges to avoid the exposure of UV out from the filter as its not good for your eyes and knowing kids, they will get curiuos.

When u are down in KL, get those summersible UV as it is more effective and u have less problem with the above.

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

Jun 2, 2008, 1:46 PM

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Ya, not happy too early.... last time the water turn clear and green water came back after 2weeks.
And the uv light casing i will cover it better thanks... Smile

Epal63
Koi Lover

Jun 2, 2008, 2:05 PM

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If you are seeing the UV effects within 2-3days, I am confident your pond water will be crystal clear very soon. Mine was like yours but I am still running my UV... Sly

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

Jun 2, 2008, 2:29 PM

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Yayaya.... tat is wat i want... Smile

I think i will keep the uv light run about 1-2weeks, after the water turn clear i will take it away....

Epal63
Koi Lover

Jun 3, 2008, 11:04 AM

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Hi Chris, I noticed you have a DIY TT. (I see you are a DIY person. Smile

) What are the bio-materials you use in the TT?

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

Jun 3, 2008, 12:20 PM

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Yayayay... i like DIY... Wink

But sometimes waste money if diy products fail...
I hav only Bio balls inside the T.T.
R u going to built a t.t?

vince68
Koi Lover

Jun 3, 2008, 12:24 PM

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Chris, my personal opinion, leave the UV for a while, ie 3 to 6 mths at least, otherwise u will have the same problem as i notice, previously when u took it away, the green was back.

Honestly, so far, after more than a year with UV on 24/7 since day one, i dont have any problems with my koi. I dont think UV do much harm to the koi nor good bacteria if we place it at the right place.

Dont think its a good idea to take it away not until your pond is stablised. Even if it is stablised and no harm noted, i dont see why we should take it away.

Just my thoughts. Rgds

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

Jun 3, 2008, 12:41 PM

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Hi vince,
Thanks for yr advise.. i m still considering about to leave the uv light there or not.
Bcos tat is not good looking if i place it on the chamber, except i buy 1 sub. uv light instead.
I think i will monitor for a while first.....

vince68
Koi Lover

Jun 3, 2008, 1:02 PM

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definitely doest look nice cosmetically hence get the sub which will be ideal.

IF u need, let me know, i will get it for u.

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

Jun 3, 2008, 1:07 PM

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Sure i will ask u to buy for me if i need tat.. thanks.... Wink

Epal63
Koi Lover

Jun 3, 2008, 1:16 PM

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Yayayay... i like DIY... Wink

But sometimes waste money if diy products fail...
I hav only Bio balls inside the T.T.
R u going to built a t.t?

Not for the time being although I would like to in the first place - but scraped that idea as I couldn't hide it nicely.

(This post was edited by Epal63 on Jun 3, 2008, 1:18 PM)

chriswu3311
Koi Lover

Jun 3, 2008, 1:34 PM

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Ya i was thinking tat too, tat why i put the plants in front of the t.t....
After few months the plants grow bigger then can cover the t.t...
Do u post any pics on this forum b4? would u pls show me some?

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