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Planning to build indoor pond in new Arizona Home, need some advce.

 






 


MCrossley
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Mar 22, 2005, 9:13 AM

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Hello I am new to the forums and although been out of the hobby for about 7 years not unfamiliar with it at all. When I was 13 I built a rather large concrete pond that was about 15' x 15' and was kidney shaped. That pond was in service for 10 years and survived 2 major earthquakes before my grandparents sold that house. I made some mistakes but all in all it was a great enjoyment and had many koi that lived for a good long time. Now I am planning building my own home on property already purchased and would like some advice let me give you some thoughts on what I want to do and the constraints that I have to work with.

Location: The new home will be in Northern Arizona at a elevation of about 6000' and the average high during summer being about 91 and average winter being in the low 20's. The pond will be indoors in a corner of the main living room area with a ceiling height of approximately 12' and would like to make the length around 10-12' on the inner wall and maybe about 6-8' on the exterior wall in either a kidney or l-shaped design.

Design: I am considering a 3' depth unless anyone would recommend a deeper one. I want a large corner waterfall probably pretty high cascading down out of natural rock. The room-side will either be flat rock topped or some type of hard natural surface.

The Problems: This home will be 100% off-grid from utilities and will be solely powered by Solar, wind and generator. This is not so much a problem, rather a consideration to think about filters and what not being tied together with gravity feed to reduce amount of pumps to run. I have found several DC powered pumps for the job so battery direct will not be a problem for me so outages are not something I am worried about; I have a big background in power systems and uninterruptible power. Next problem is temperature, I am not sure these days what the optimum temp would be for an indoor pond; I will not have air conditioning but will have swamp cooling as well as radiant floor heating and cooling in the concrete slab itself.

My questions: So after much reading I am interested to get some ideas on what types of filtration I should use and which will be most efficient. My old pond had a lava rock type home made filter that worked well but also added a full sized pool pump style pump and sand filter system that worked great for clarity but had to be backwashed weekly (not into that again) I am thinking along the lines of a vortex pre-filter and then trickle filter with a setup like one of the members here posted (image attached) So I was thinking of an outdoor access enclosure that could be the backside of the water fall wall and ll of the filters and pumps be located there so that the final output being the waterfall. Another question I have is water capacity, what do you guys think the pond would hold if it were say 6'w x 10' x 3' deap?

My abilities: I am very capable of building this myself and designing my own filters and what not but want some design ideas based on what I have stated here. I have access to some good companies that make plastic "food grade" tubs and containers for the filters which by the way not sure if anyone has thought about one of these for their vortex filters. (attached)

Thanks to everyone for your time to read and give your input here it is much appreciated; I rather start thinking about the design integration into the house now before the house is even built than go gee wish I had a door there later.




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MCrossley
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Mar 23, 2005, 5:44 AM

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wow with all of the posting on these threads I thought for sure someone would have something to say... Also I am now thinking about getting a little more crazy about the design and adding a in-floor stream of sorts from one pond on one side of the room to the other and a bridge over it; only problem is then I will definatly have to use concrete instead of a liner unless someone can convince me that a liner setup that is bonded together will last many years without leaking, this will be in my living room remember... Ok people start talking Wink


kolipo
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Mar 27, 2005, 12:12 PM

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ok if you want a pond in your living room you will first need to gut the inside! You absoloutly need green board drywall in there to compensate for the fungal mold issue. I think you need to venelate your house to the outside more than your filter at this time. As for the filter i coluldnt imajine it being any different than an outside pond its the same fish shit and conditions. As far as the group here goes they dont watch this thread much becoase this is the beginner thread. Also most of the people here have alot of money or this is their job so they arnt concerned with the diy stuff. hope i sparked a idea for ya but like i said i would be more worried bout your house than your fish at this planning stage. mold mildew and the black shit that grows on walls suks. peace bro.


MCrossley
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Mar 27, 2005, 2:50 PM

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I absolutely agree with you about green-board and plan to use that and also spray sealants like is used for waterproofing basements they both have fungicides in them. Should I post this on another forum that will get better attention?


kolipo
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Mar 28, 2005, 3:28 AM

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here is this new thing I found its a vortex micro strainer. It floats around your outlet pipe in the middle of your vortex tank. it gets spun by the inlet to the drum via gravity and it is washed by a small spray return from your pump. they come in a 250 and a 500 micron screen size. I wonder if anyone has seen one in use or has any experience with this. Also I wonder what the proper micron size is for good mechanical filtration.hmmmm Mabye the water quality pond construction thread would be a better place for this topic. PirateAngelic. I love the idea of yours i can just imajine this tropical cavetype atmosphere.
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MCrossley
Koi Lover

Mar 28, 2005, 4:52 AM

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interesting idea, where did you find the info?


kolipo
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Mar 28, 2005, 3:28 PM

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i found it on the net. I gave you a link in your message box.
still dont know if its worth it.??????


MCrossley
Koi Lover

Mar 28, 2005, 4:36 PM

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got your pm have to look at it still but here is a layout of my pond idea in case it helps anyones imagination in my idea


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