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koineedtoknower
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Jan 11, 2006, 10:16 AM

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I am thinking of making a new TT this spring as my current one does not work. I would like to use plastic storage drawers like this http://www.containerstore.com/browse/Product.jhtml?CATID=62561&PRODID=67291 but it would be one unit with three drawers. I would cut plenty of holes in the bottom of each drawer and at top of top drawer will try to make a spray bar to spread out the water evenly and this whole thing will be covered from sunlight, unless i am mistaken and it needs that. It will be elevated a little and the bottom will let the water flow through and to a water fall into my stream. Does this idea just seem able to work and eliminate my green water problem? Am planning on having one drawer with bio balls and the other two with lava rock. All comments are welcome of any type. Also how would i make a sufficient spray bar to keep up with flow rate? if the pipe is about 2-3 feet long and has a decent amount of holes in it will it be able to handle 792 gph pump. I really dont know too much on making these as I have not yet but I have read around on this forum a lot. Remember all comment are welcomed.

Thanks, John.

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canuckpuck
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Jan 11, 2006, 3:22 PM

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That's the exact same one I have for my 1000 gal pond. But I use it as a primary filter. The top drawer is filled with filter wool and a layer of matala, second drawer is all bioballs. I don't use a sprayer bar but instead i drilled small holes 1" apart at the bottom of the top drawer and holes on the bottom drawer are a bit bigger. The filter wool at the top helps spread the water evenly.

I don't have a problem with green water but then again, the pond is in the shade.
Hope this helps though Smile

philly
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Jan 11, 2006, 6:14 PM

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Hi John!

I am a new guy here, you can look up spray rotating bars at www.aquaticeco.com they carry 8", 12" and 16". Maybe installing a couple of them might do the trick for you. Wishing you the best of luck on your project.

Regards Phil.

koineedtoknower
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Jan 12, 2006, 4:04 AM

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Yes I will try this as a primary filter first, Will probably look for one with more drawers for more media as you have said you use yours for. Will also increas flow rate of pond to about 5000gph, my pond is also 1000 gallons so hopefully all water will run through the filter atleast 3-4 times per hour.

Philly i searched on that website and could not find the spray bars? Could you please post a direct link to them as I could not find them in many different searched and I am very interested.

Thanks for the comments, its all helping.

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philly
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Jan 12, 2006, 5:18 AM

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Hi John,

I looked but could not find it also but I got the spray bar from my catalog and the order numbers are RB8 - 8", RB12 - 12", RB16 - 16' all 3 units are rated at head min 3 / max 9 GPM @ 3', their toll free # 1-877-347-4788 or e-mail them at aes@aquaticeco.com for a catalog their address is,

Aquatic Eco-Systems,Inc,
1767 Benbow Court
Apopka,FL 32703

If I can help in any other way send me an e-mail.

Phil.

koineedtoknower
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Jan 12, 2006, 8:00 AM

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I think what I will do with this filter is being with a spray bar at the top in the top drawer, below that will be brushes and a jap mat. Then below that in the next draw will be some kaldness media, and ultrabiomedia along with some springflow media, all for bio filtration and then another draw made up of this. then one drawer of lava rocks and then a drawer of bioballs and then it will return to the stream. Comments on this or the media will be greatly appreciated and philly thank you I am emailing them for a catalog.

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Koi38
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Jan 12, 2006, 8:58 AM

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Hi John,

If you can't find a spraybar, use a normal pipe. Drill small holes first staggered along the half side only of the pipe. If you think its restricting the water flow too much then make some hole(not all it) a little bigger. Its just trial and error until you are satisfied with the flow. I'll stick to Lava rocks and bioball. Good luck Wink

rgds,
Jon

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koineedtoknower
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Jan 12, 2006, 10:31 AM

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Are you sayin I should only use those two? If I did I really wouldnt have any boifiltration is my problem, so I would like to combine them, do you think it is bad to do this?

Also philly are you saying there rated at 9 gpm for every 3' of their length?

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(This post was edited by koineedtoknower on Jan 12, 2006, 10:33 AM)

larz1
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Jan 12, 2006, 11:32 AM

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"Are you sayin I should only use those two? If I did I really wouldnt have any boifiltration is my problem, so I would like to combine them, do you think it is bad to do this?"

No bio??? That's what they are used for Wink

. Lavarock and BB are the two most commonly used biomedia in most TT applications. I might suggest using settlement prefiltration to remove large detrius before mechanical filtration as an inexpensive and low maintenence way to prevent media plugging. That way your mats or wool in the top chamber won't have to be cleaned as often.

Koi38
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Jan 12, 2006, 3:15 PM

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Hi John,

I was referring to TT. Bioballs or Lava rocks will be your bio media. If you want place jmat or wool on top its fine. I'll take Larry's advice, pump water from settlement or prefilter is the best way, no more crap just fine particles for the TT to deal with.

rgds,
Jon

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philly
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Jan 12, 2006, 4:52 PM

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Hi John,
I said they are rated at 3' head the min is 3 to 9 max gpm flow on the spray bars.
I also want to build 2 TT towers also for my pond, this is my idea I started to build my waterfall 4' high 5' wide 2' in depth I got a piece of plexiglas 1/2" thick 18" wide 5' long which would be installed on top if the waterfall creating a curtain of water where I will put my TT towers behind using 3 rotating spray bars 12" to supply it, I saw some plastic crates at the grocery store that vegetables are shipped in that are stackable with stainless steel handles about 10" high 12" wide 22" in length hope fully I can persuade the clerk to sell me a dozen, do you think this is practical.

Phil.

koineedtoknower
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Jan 13, 2006, 3:58 AM

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Looks like I will be making my own spray bar then as the pump will be about 5000gph which is a lot more than 9 gpm. I seem to have always thought of a TT as different than a biofilter, just dont know why. I wont really be able to prefilter because then i would need two pump that pumped at the same rate so it would drain or overflow and would cost me a lot. Couldnt I just put some Jap matts on the top shelf and other matting like that to act as a prefilter, maybe just put a lot of large spong like material on top of jap matt in shelf so jap matt will pick out finre materials? I will focus more on boiballs and lava rocks, I am just worried about making a filter that will not keep my water clean. Anyone know how much I will need in maybe surface area or amount to keep my 1000 gallon pond clear and clean? It is not shaded yet but I will be putting a roof on it in the summer. So will my filter be ok with just a lot of bioballs and lava rocks?

Thanks, John

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Koi38
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Jan 13, 2006, 6:50 AM

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Hi John,

You can use Jmat or woolen stuff on top but your bioballs or Lava rock will work so hard to keep the water clean and clear. If you can't have a settlement before the TT, maybe use BH/BS instead Smile

rgds,
Jon

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koineedtoknower
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Jan 13, 2006, 9:59 AM

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I will try to think of something I can do for settlement some kind of container to use, not really experienced at fitting pipes and stuff onto drums or anything like that. What is BH/BS may I ask?

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Koi38
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Jan 13, 2006, 10:30 AM

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What is BH/BS may I ask?

BH - Bacteria House
BS - Bakki Shawer

These are very good filter system. Some ppl who uses this type of filtration don't use settlement. Do a search in this forum and you'll find lots of info Smile

rgds,
Jon

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koineedtoknower
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Jan 14, 2006, 4:25 AM

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Oh yes I have read a decent amount about these just didnt really notice them initialed like that. The only problem is those are very expensive and the media, if the media was cheaper I would do that, but the only price Ive seen for it was about 195 a box and I needed about 3 or 4. So it was too much. Trying to think of what I could use for settlement now.

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koineedtoknower
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Jan 15, 2006, 5:21 AM

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When I am constructing the spray bar how will I know if it is constricting flow? Do I tell by how hard to holes are spraying the water out of them? Also would i have to use PVC pipe from the pump too or is there a conncetor I can use so the hose will stay connected with the pipe? Sorry for so many questions, want to make sure I get it right though. Thanks.

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Koi38
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Jan 15, 2006, 5:58 AM

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Hi John,

Contructing a spray bar is a trial and error basis unless you made one before Smile

The water coming out of the holes should spread evenly and should cover the entire area of the container. That's why I've suggested to drill small holes first coz you can always make the holes bigger, also will save you on wasting pipes Wink

If you are happy with the flow then leave it but if you think its restricting the pump too much make some of the holes a bit larger Smile

You can use flexible hose/pipes for you connections but don't use solvent yet until you are satified with plumbing. Once everything is okay then you can put them together pemanently Cool

When cutting, measure twice cut once Angelic

rgds,
Jon

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koineedtoknower
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Jan 15, 2006, 6:41 AM

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Thank you once again koi38 you have been a great help Smile

. Now I just have to gather my materials and wait Frown

for spring Smile

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Koi38
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Jan 15, 2006, 7:01 AM

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Thank you once again koi38 you have been a great help Smile

. Now I just have to gather my materials and wait Frown

for spring Smile

Hi John,

You've ask me all those questions now you'll wait till spring Mad

is that tomorrow Laugh

I'm planning a TT as well...........just planning

Don't forget those pix my friend Wink

rgds,
Jon

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koineedtoknower
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Jan 15, 2006, 9:17 AM

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I should have some pics in the summer hopefully Smile

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Koi38
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Jan 15, 2006, 11:58 AM

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Hi John,

These what I'm going to use on my TT. Got it yesterday for $2 each, stackable too Wink

. Too good to missed Cool

These will hold 400kg of Lava rocks or bioballs even 200kg of BH will fit Cool

rgds,
Jon

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koineedtoknower
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Jan 15, 2006, 12:36 PM

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Very nice and a good deal too Smile

, doesnt the bacteria need to be covered from sunlight though?

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Koi38
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Jan 15, 2006, 12:53 PM

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Hi John,

This will be covered with pond liner to protect the bacteria from sun and the container too Cool

rgds,
Jon

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koi@kit
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Jan 15, 2006, 1:44 PM

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yoo koi38..

i got the same stuff too.. mine is blue in colour .. but i bot it for S$14 Crazy

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