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ahjin80
Koi Lover

Oct 30, 2006, 10:39 AM

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Dear forumers,

I'm new here. japanese koi is also new to me. just bought 4 baby kois measuring from 4 to 6 inches. as for a start i keep them in a small 4L X 3W X 2D ft FG tank. just wan to know how big can these kois grow in this tank? currently feeding them 2-3 times daily using hikari. Pls shoot.

thks.


John Bloch
Koi Lover

Oct 30, 2006, 11:42 AM

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Welcome!

firstly I should say that I am no expert, and that I am not sure if all the below information is correct...


growth is detirmined not only by the enviornment, but by the bloodlines/types of koi you have... for instance, some plain colored koi - such as chagoi (a plain greenish yellow) or kigoi (a plain orange) can grow up to 32 inches in a matter of years... this is because they are easyer to breed, and its easyer to make a chagoi or kigoi so the gene pool is rather large, thus promoting growth...

you can find this true with almost all single color koi, given that they arent a koi that has lost pigments (a common is a kohaku (an orange and white koi) that has lost its hi(or orange color) and is just white... it was actually bred to be a kohaku, which makes it in a smaller gene pool of fish, which means chances are it wont grow as large as a chagoi or kigoi type fish)

that aside, the size of your tank/puddle/pond/lake/ocean can IMMENSLEY effect the growth of a fish... a simple example is a pond that is close to where I live... it is an immense pond that is quite deep, and probaly something in the range of 30 or 40 feet wide by 60 or 70 feet long... there are probably 9 or so koi in that pond, and they are simply gigantic... (but, they are also quite old.... the pond its self is plenty over 10 years old, and I'm positive that the fish were of japanese quality...)

also, filtration is a big key... the cleaner the water, the healthyer the fish are... you should test for ammonia and nitrItes... i say nitrItes because they can be confused with NitrAtes, both ammonia and nitrIte are toxic to your fish, and you should monitor them closely...

If you dont want your fish to grow, Dont feed them more than they need... make sure your meals you feed them are short.. most likely from 1-3 mintutes, and make sure no more than 2 times a day...

If you want to encourage growth, more food and more filtration are ok, but make sure not to overdo it, and to check the water for NitrItes and ammonia...

as for the size you should let them grow to in the tank: keep this in mind... a fullsize/adult fish should be kept in 250 gallons of water to maintain a healthy stature... with aquariums most people go by the "inch of fish per gallon" rule, which means you should have one inch of fish per gallon of your tank, say your tank was 20 gallons, you could have 20 inches of fish, 2 10 inch fish, 1 20 inch fish, 4 5 inch fish ect. BUT I PERSONALLY DONT THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA WITH KOI... koi are an especially dirty fish, and if high filtration isnt used, that rule can be totatly incorrect...

you have a 177 gallon tank (to US liquid measures) and i think your fish will be fine for quite some time... I would probably let them get up to 10 or 11 inches, and then make sure you have a larger spot to put them in later.... (one thing i would make sure of, is that they can easily turn around in the tank... 3 ft. wide might be able to house bigger fish, and I would probably keep them in there untill they are a foot or so long, but then I would want the gallonage to be closer to 100 or so gallons per fish, seing as a 24 inch fish can be considered adult, and 12 inches is half of that...)

its kind of hit and miss... I dont exactly know what you are going for, growth, or stunting it...

by the way, this is info I have taken in, and some of it may be wrong... but, hopefully someone can back me up on most of this...
Tanks!


ahjin80
Koi Lover

Oct 30, 2006, 3:53 PM

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hi,

Many thanks for the reply. there's so much information.
i don have any one color koi yet. but thinking of getting one to make it a total 5 in the tank. is an ogon a one color koi which in general would have higher growth rate?
definitely i'm goin for growth. really wish to see them grow. but with that size of tank.........
i don expect much from them actually, would be happy enough to see them reaching 12 inches. and if they continue growing, i'd be more than happy to even build a bigger pond.
water quality should not be a problem as i make about 10 to 20% of water changes twice a week.
any other advice on how to make them grow fast?
Pls shoot again.

thks.


dechoong
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Oct 31, 2006, 1:42 AM

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Hi,

If you are in for growth, I would suggest you start building a decently sized pond now. For growth rate, nothing beats a Chagoi. I've got a Chagoi that shot from 6" to 28" in 1 year 4 months Cool.

Cheers,
Dennis


ahjin80
Koi Lover

Oct 31, 2006, 8:47 AM

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hmmmm. may want to try out a chagoi then. wat about ogon? a fast grower too?


Roger89
Koi Lover


Oct 31, 2006, 2:30 PM

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Yes ogons too! They are next after chagoi. Try finding a yamabuki ogon.. I think they will give some contrast to the black/white/red koi's..Wink


ahjin80
Koi Lover

Oct 31, 2006, 4:44 PM

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yeah, besides black/white/red, maybe i should add some gold/platinum color to my pond. currently only have a kohaku, doitsu sanke, showa and shusui. a bit of blue on the shusui oso. hehe. can anyone tell me wat's the most commonly seen price of jap koi in KL?


dechoong
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Nov 1, 2006, 12:49 AM

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Hi,

Prices vary greatly on quality. For decent quality mid-size yearling, I'll say about RM200++. Some very young koi can be had for less than RM100 but you'll have a hard time choosing.

I suggest you find out more about pond water quality and filtration 1st before jumping too deep into this hobby, it can save you from lots of headache later Wink.

Cheers,
Dennis


ahjin80
Koi Lover

Nov 1, 2006, 10:11 AM

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Dennis,

Thanks for the advise. i understand that jap koi isnt' cheap plus my ten cent is bigger than a wheel. so in fact i did do my studies on everything about keeping koi. but too bad i bought my FG tank too early.

there isn't any problem with my filtration and water quality yet. koi seems happy there. only concern is their growth in that limited space. currently only 4 of them in there, intend to add one more chagoi/ ogon. i guess that's not too much since all of them r babies.


ahjin80
Koi Lover

Nov 2, 2006, 1:02 PM

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Dear members,

Anyone here has kois that experience good growth rate in the same size of space?

RGDS


ahjin80
Koi Lover

Jan 10, 2007, 8:42 AM

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Hi All,

Just an update. All my Kois are in the range of 8 to 11 inches now, except for the new ogon i bought about 1.5 month ago. but it catches up real fast from 4 inch to about 6.5 inch now. hehe, it grows in that small tank.

haha, interesting watching them grow. but i believe their growth should be slowing down soon having that size of tank.

have to start saving money for a pond now....Unsure


Regards,

 
 
 



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