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dttk
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May 1, 2003, 4:46 AM

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Benson, to attach jpg files, make sure each file is less than 39kb. Then go to Members Pond section. Post new and you'll find an upload function at the bottom of the window. You could upload one file at a time but all within the same post. Smile

I'll be looking forward to see the pics. Thanks!Wink
Always friendly :)


Benson_ken
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May 1, 2003, 5:50 PM

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Sorry dttk,

These files are 6++kb in size. A cropped file reduction would show little detail and would not reduce to 39kb. Do you have an email address that can recieve larger files?

Regards,

Benson


dttk
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May 2, 2003, 7:41 AM

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Benson, you're welcome to send the files to me for downsizing Smile. My email is dttk@pc.jaring.my

Cheers!
Always friendly :)


kitsen
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Jun 4, 2003, 7:06 PM

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Re: [pklow] KOIs Can't Go Along With Plants? [In reply to] Can't Post

I've got plants and they're doing great. I can only give you my own deductions from my own experience, so don't take everything I say as gospel and spread it around.

Well, we all know carp are inquisitive creatures. They'll gnaw and poke at anything new. They also won't bother with anything old and familiar. (In my opinion, they learn, and have memory)

I added the plant/s in the pond, then baby koi between 3-4in long. Oh, they poked at the plants like crazy! But being small, little damage was done. After two months, they've more or less grown tired of that. They're now 8in long though, and if they tried it now, they'd devour the plant.

Following my 'schooling' theory, or less eloquently, 'monkey see, moneky do,' I added an 11 inch koi recently. It follows the other 8in koi round and round and never touch the plants.

I think koi behaviour can be influenced by other fish. Thus they'll end up doing, or in this case, not doing what all the others do not do; which is attack the plants.

Okay, I know my concluions seem far fetched, but it's also based on other numerous observations I haven't mentioned because it's beyond the scope of a single forum posting.Tongue And unlike testing water quality, I can't give any empirical data.


redriverkoi
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Jun 11, 2003, 9:10 PM

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I live in Oklahoma and we have lillies with our koi but they are not quite as big as some I see on here yet.

I have not had a problem with plants and fish mixed together. We just use regular dirt plant the lilie and cover with gravel of some sort about 3in deep to cover the mud.

We use Tree and shrub stakes to fertilize our lillies and I also have cattails They come in a long stake and we break it in 4 pieces our pots are about the size of a 5 gallon bucket cut in half. we put about 3 pieces in when it starts to get warm and things are starting to grow and you only have to fertilize one time a year.

Mitsy


likdaor
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Aug 5, 2003, 7:14 PM

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Hi pklow,Your question isn't Stupid! same question we asked koi club members where we live. They told us /forget plants in pond koi would destroy them. Since I believe a pond looks much better with plants I went against them and we have 7 water lily plants and 16 other plants in pond.All growing and doing well koi only swim thru them when they spawn then they mess pond up a bit but they don't destroy plants. I found out why koi attack plants. we planted plants same as you with rocks on top.The reason I found is koi need almost constant food not bye you feeding them but by algae in pond.We fertilize plants every 2 weeks we feed koi 2 times a day the rest of time they eat algae on side of walls and they do not eat plants. Now when a koi club member tells me we can't have plants I say Really!! I guess i must have plastic plants in pond and didn't know it! lol good luck . Likdaor


pklow
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Aug 6, 2003, 12:53 PM

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Re: [likdaor] KOIs Can't Go Along With Plants? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi Likdaor,

Totally agree with you! I really couldn't tolerate a pond without plants too and did the same as you and guess what, they get along with each other perfectly, and of course a minor conflict do happen and I still can put up with that. Thanks for sharing your success!


Condor
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Oct 4, 2003, 9:15 PM

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My koi are smaller and are not full grown yet, but they leave my plants alone. I have only been raising koi this year, but raised various species of fish for about 30 years. Fish will show immediate interest in something introduced new into their environment, but after a period of time they ignore anything they did not eat. For example:

I had several South American cichlids which got fed goldfish once a week for health, color, and it helps lead them to breeding. One feeding they did not devour all the fish and one of the goldfish continued to live. The following week I fed them goldfish again, and the same fish remainded untouched even though all the others were eaten. (I had even shortchanged the count to force them to eat the leftover fish) After a month, I had to remove it into another tank which had an isolated cichlid in it. Even then, it took about 3 weeks before it lost its' head!

If the fish are established then you add a plant, they will see it as a salad bowl. If the plants are established and you add a new fish, they are accustomed to their presence and do not show so much attention to them. I also keep my lillies in baked fullers' earth and the plants eventually put roots out of the pot into the water. The koi get a snack without the need to root. I also found they love small Water Lettuce. If the fish have an alternate plant that they like more, they will ignore the lillies long enough to view them like that goldfish. You might try introducing the plants at first break of spring when the fish are just coming out of hibernation. The plants will gradually appear and not be seen as something to dive into for lunch.

I don't know if this will help you at all, but maybe it can give you some ideas of what to try!



Michael


Ronelle
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Nov 5, 2003, 10:16 AM

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Hi

I am a new Koi lover.

Can I plant periwinkle next to my pool? Will it do anything to my koi's if the leaves hang over the edge of the pool in the water?

Regards

RonelleSmile


looialex
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Nov 17, 2003, 5:30 AM

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Alex Looi must be out of his mind to post advertising contents here. He has only stone is his head without brain I guess


(This post was edited by Khoobg on Dec 16, 2003, 5:06 PM)


KevKoi
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Nov 17, 2003, 6:25 AM

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Mad UrrrgH! Enough of this.
Mr Looi, either you're just downright clueless or you're bloody damn desperate. I'd like to think it was the latter.

Either way, ur marketing skills are not welcome here. (Pretty pathetic marketing I'd have to say.)

I'd suggest you read the rules of the forum or your stay here will be pretty short lived. I think we have tolerated your nonsense long enough.


pisces222
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Nov 22, 2003, 7:54 PM

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adavisus
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Dec 15, 2003, 1:04 PM

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Re: [pklow] KOIs Can't Go Along With Plants? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hello Pklow,

koi and plants have been getting along fine for thousands of years. Koiís that are overstocked in a tiny space and sadly lacking in decent meals will turn on plants when desperate. As a matter of routine, koi like munching on plant roots and anything else they can fit in their mouths...

With koi growth rates as much as 2ft in two years, sooner or later they will outgrow many preform tub sized ponds, it might take a well planted area 10'x10' to keep them occupied with plants growing as fast as the koi nibbles them.

There are many plants which have koi proof roots. cattails, carex, iris, nuphars are but a few varieties of aquatic plant that can cope with the worst fish grazing. Creating cordoned areas within a pond can create a 'nursery' area for small starts of plants

Aquaric iris, water mint, pickerel and reeds can cope with fish grazing at their roots... Fragile but useful water filtering plants like water hyacinth could float in 'net bags' (get some black net, fine mesh, and make a koi proof 'corral' for plants to float within it... made circular, a floating 'island' of greedy water filtering plants will create an attractive feature

Some like nymphaeas, the water lilies have brittle feeder roots, which, guess what, are sold with weave baskets often, (to make an extra buck) knowing full well your kois will destroy the roots and you will be back for another water lily (kerchung)

If you plant water lilies in solid sided containers (large shallow tubs, buckets) the koi can't get at the brittle feeder roots, they do grow fine in koi pools, unless the lily is way small and delicate. There are several 'vigorous' water lilies that can cope with koi, no problem. Gladstonia, Attraction, alba, AJ Welch, etc spring to mind

All in all, a careful selection of aquatic plants will do more for your water quality and koi than any of the way pricey filters and sterilisers ....a lot less bother....

Its not a bad idea to grow plants on, away from the koi pool, in say, large water butts, so when they have established roots and growth, they are strong enough to cope with aggresive fish....

Nicer to look at, too...

andy
http://community.webshots.com/user/adavisus
(andys aquatic plant list :)

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