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Vincent
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Oct 6, 2002, 9:05 AM


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Shy problem

hi all,

I have a 6 by 2.5 by 2.5 feet glass fish tank in my living room with about 7 koi in it. 2 koi around 40 cm, 2 koi around 30 cm and 3 koi around 20 cm. I have a serious problem here:

If I need floating food, only 3 bigger koi will surface and grab the food. The rest still remains as mickey mouse, seldom come up n grab the food. Sad to say, they eat the shit from the bigger koi.

When I initially bought the small koi, it just come up n eat, not shy at all. But slowly, I don't know why, I notice when i or my home minister pass by, it will dash away. And also when my bigger koi dash away, it frighten the rest. And now my small koi remain at bottom, seldom come up to eat, so different from when i initially bought it.

It has been this case for nearly a year. the small koi seldom eat at all and the big koi grabs everything. When we pass by, all are afraid.

I was thinking of converting to a fibretank so the koi will not see us so much. I was also thinking of giving away the bigger koi so it will not frighten the small one. But i was afraid that when i give away the big one, the rest are just as afraid because of us passing by the tank.

Please advise. Thanks.

Vincent


Raf Segers
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Oct 6, 2002, 7:35 PM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

SmileHi Vincent,

I hope the more experienced members wil give some advice because i am not the expertBlush, but i think that wat you wrote is maybe right.

When a tank is completely from glass the koi wil see everywhere odd things for them and are at no point "protected" (take a look yourself true the glassCrazy). I had a likewise problem but not wit Koi. i put these fish in a aqauarium that had the shape of a large bowl. The fish came easely at first but also like you later the become shy. The reson for me wher propably the childeren who came beside this tank frequently. Then i put the fish in a aquarium with a poster behind 1 site and a few ornaments. at first they stayed shy but a few months later they became more at ease.Now its not a problem and they come up when i come and take a lookSmile.

But never the less i think you should also look for other possibility's like waterconditions en temperatures.

Evenso, I let the best info to the expertsWinkSmile (like allways).



Greetings and hopefully you get help soon!



Beybey,

RafCool



cwnchong
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Oct 7, 2002, 5:11 AM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Hi Vincent,

This is my experience. If your aquarium is located at a deserted corner of your house & you seldom view your koi long enough you became a stranger to them. Koi can not take surprises such as shadows moving over them in a sudden, flashes etc. If you see your kois 2 or 3 times a day only for a short while it will not improve the situation. If you cant spend more time with them the next best thing you can do is either relocate your aquarium to a busier place if you can of course or move your chores nearer to the aquarium.

Once I was doing earth work near my pond the fish went for hiding when I started pounding. After a hour or so most of them came nearer toward my direction as though they wanted to know what I was doing.


johnson lee
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Oct 7, 2002, 6:15 AM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Hi Vincent

Kois do not like sudden movements or as mentioned shadows looming before them. They get frightened easily.

However, having said that, I have seen a 15ft long aquarium at a resort's clubhouse and the kois seem oblivious to the comings and goings of humans.

Perhaps, you need to train your kois to get use to both your wife and your presence. Stay in front of them longer, play with them, talk to them and let them get use to you. This way, they shouldn't be so scared everytime they see you walking by.

Alternatively, I was told that you shouldn't place your aquarium near a door or anywhere where someone that cannot be seen by the kois suddenly walks past them. This scares them a lot. I had the same problem with my arowana. Hope this helps.


Vincent
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Oct 7, 2002, 9:19 AM


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Re: [johnson lee] Shy problem

hi all,

Actually only me n my wife stay in the flat, till around 9pm then came back from 9am. The tank is located quite along a busy place where we always walk from bedroom to hall or kitchen, just that we do that only outside of 9am to 9pm. U r right in that if people always walk around all the time, i think the koi will not be scared. But the problem is nobody is around. So what I think is that I put something like my t-shirt near the tank when i leave my flat in the morning and see what happen when i come back. Hopefully when i come back i will not scare myself like as if I saw a person near a tank as my flat is quite dark even in the daytime Laugh.

To further describe the situation so that maybe u guys can give me some suggestions, the tank is covered on both sides. Only can see the front view. I did this so that when i on my bedroom or kitchen lights, the koi will not dived for cover, as I notice that even when I switch off my hall light, they are frightened. My pH is ok at around 7.5 to 8, and kH is around 8-9dkH, so I think the water is ok, i never net them. I also have a chakoi in the tank around 30cm. Anymore suggestions?

Vincent


Vincent
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Oct 11, 2002, 8:01 AM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

hi,

I hanged my clothes on my tank for few days now, the koi seems just as shy as the first day i put my clothes there. It has been 4 days now. Sometimes, i moved my clothes to another position. I also never feed them for 4 days already. Trying my best to tame them. I will continue to put there till they are not so shy. Quite stressful for them, but hopefully it is ok.

Before I put my clothes there, they are swimming freely till i walk passed, so trying to tame them.


johnson lee
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Oct 11, 2002, 9:25 PM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Hi Vince

Let us know how you do, OK? Good luck.

JohnsonSmile


Vincent
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Oct 12, 2002, 7:25 PM


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Re: [johnson lee] Shy problem

hi Johnson,

I decided to give the koi a weekend break Laugh, monday i'll hang my clothes there again, I have also fed them, i decide to go slow, now just started the training, cannot too siong,tiring initially for them, 5 days in a row, so later 6 or 7 days in a row with my clothes there. Cause 5 days in a row no food, and staying in 1 corner, feeling stress, think should take a break for the koi.

I have taken away the 2 sides covering the tank, so that the koi got more view of us, previously put is to prevent the koi from being frightened by the switching on of lights of the other rooms.

Vincent


jitwee
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Oct 13, 2002, 6:44 PM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Hi Vincent,

I do have this problem as you when i just setup my tank about 3-3 1/2 months ago. Is your tank a new setup or those shy koi just added inWink. It is very normal for koi to be shy and timid. But once they are used to the new enviroment,they tends to very close to you. They need time to settle down. Some may come from very big tank/pond.Suddenly the new enviroment and water condition is so different so they feel very uncomfortable. Just like us we need time to settle down in your new enviroment too.At times they tends to swim so fast till they bang at the fiber tank.

They are just like human beings. You just need to spend more time with them.Let them feel your present. They tends to recongise those that feed and look after them. They are just like us. Need not to worry about the smaller koi not eating.When i just bought my 2 small koi (15cm) they also don't eat much. But once they get used to the new enviroment they are fighting food with the bigger koi.So don't worry too much.WinkCool


Cheers,
jitwee


Vincent
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Oct 14, 2002, 7:49 AM


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Re: [jitwee] Shy problem

hi Jitwee,

Sad to say that they are with me for 1 year already. I think the problem is that i have them in a glass tank where they can have a full view of what's going on. If i have them in a fibre tank, then they are all covered and not subjected to external view, only the top view. I wanted to change to fibre tank but subjected to home minister Crazy

I'm actually looking at the fukai pond where they have those ready-make selling at 4k plus, with bottom drain and filter, everything included, but only 6 by 3 feet, ideal will be 8 by 4, but will be more pricy, but still having talk so much, still subjected to minister approval Pirate

Vincent


jsoon
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Oct 14, 2002, 9:44 AM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Everyone,

I am back from my trip and it seems that the site is still buzzing.

I heard from many people that Koi are not meant to be kept in Fish tank. They tend to be afraid and more frightful to the surronding. Secondly, Koi also do not look nice from the side compare to the top.

Getting a nice Fibre tank would be a good option but personal advice is not to go for those kind of pond (no mention of company here) that you would like to purchase as many people regretted getting them even though they have nice water fall etc. The design is not suited for Koi as Koi need a good dept. You can get a new fibre glass tank from Koi farms and you can compare the price different. If you are looking for alternatives to other design, you can also send me an email.


Vincent
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Oct 14, 2002, 3:06 PM


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Re: [jsoon] Shy problem

yeah, kind of agree that koi not for glass tank. But wat to do, already have one. But the one i saw is made of USA culture stone, not the blue fibre tank. So price will be different. But 6 by 3 actually also the same size as what i'm having now. But 8 by 4 is too big for my place... Pirate, actually ideal size should be 8 by 4. Then the koi will grow to full length. Wat to do, HDB flat, how good if i'm in australia, then all problem solved. no, i'm not quitters, Laugh.

Anyway, with a 6 by 3 or 8 by 4 blue fibre tank in the hall of HDB flat, how to make it look blend in with the hall furniture and everything, it's like suddenly that's a tank in the hall, quite awkward. That's why saw the one in fukai, quite nice. Not my comment, it's minister Laugh

Vincent


jitwee
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Oct 14, 2002, 4:03 PM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Hi Vincent,

Surprise that your kio is already 1 year.Crazy
Putting a fiber tank at the hall is quite funny but a little bit of decorations will make it look better. I have a 6.5x5.5x2.5 feet at the corner of my hall. Of course my minister support me. By when you come to chang water,you will need a flexi pipe from your tank to the kitchen.Best is to have 2 pipe.One to drain(bigger dia 1 inch) and one to fill in water.SlySly
I will be posting my setup soon at the members pond. Take a look ,may be you will have a better idea for your own future tank.


Cheers,
jitwee


jsoon
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Oct 14, 2002, 4:30 PM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Vincent,

Send u an email to your hotmail account with some pictures attachments.


mattloui
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Oct 15, 2002, 3:53 AM


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Re: [jsoon] Shy problem

Hi Jsoon

You could also send me the e-mail for a look. I am also a guy who has limited space and is a FG kaki. My e-mail is in the profile. Will appreciate it if you could spare the time.

thanks
CHEERS


Vincent
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Oct 15, 2002, 9:26 AM


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Re: [jsoon] Shy problem

hi Jonathan,

If u don't mind, pls send me your attachment again, to the same email, wuiseng@hotmail.com, thanks.

And how much is the other cheaper one? What's the size? My minister's idea: neat rectangular shape, with smooth brick/granite kind, best will be something like tiles. I know can get those normal contractors to do it, but it is a lot of hassle. U know i have got my fish tank customed made, it's quite a huge one, it's a lot of hassle.

Anyway, any of u got any idea which contractor does the above mentioned pond, and for how much? Pardon me if the above idea sounds funny.Cool

Vincent


patrick123
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Oct 15, 2002, 10:13 AM


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Re: [jsoon] Shy problem

Jonathan,

Send me also lay.... SmileSmileSmile I'm always a sucker for good information. Smile

Dear All,

After I read this post, one thing I never hear people mention is water condition/quality. Everyone seems to be focusing on the view, and how the koi get scare when people walk by....

Let me share my experience with you. I started my koi hobby with a FG tank (5ft x 2.5ft x 1.5ft). When I first started, just like any beginners, I overstocked my tank. Then I realized that the koi were very jumpy. They would dash whenever someone walked near them. When you threw in the food, some of them would just jump up and snap the food and run to hide. This had been going on for several months and became a vicious cycle. I had always tested my ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, ph, etc. and everything was ok.

Later on, I realized that everytime after I did partial water change (sometimes 50%), the fishes seem to be more energetic and they tend to swim up more and became more friendly. After that, I added more bio materials, added a TT, did more partial water change, things started to improve significantly. They were no longer shy and would sometimes cruise around on the surface.

Now that I have a new pond, the fish are like in heaven. Since the pond is exposed to 100% sunlight, they will hide in the day time, but will come cruising, waiting for food in the morning and night.

What I make out of this is the DOC (Dissolved Organic Compound) in the water or the dissolve oxygen level that makes the difference.

Instead of focusing on covering the tank with blanket, try to do some water change or relook at your filter system and see if it improves the situation. Also, take a look at the color of your fish, if they are happy, their color will be vibrant.

Good luck.


Vincent
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Oct 15, 2002, 2:30 PM


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Re: [patrick123] Shy problem

hi Patrick,

U got a point there, this weekend i'll flush my filter, I have changed all my corel stones in my 3by2 ft filter at the bottom and intend to replace them with japanese mat, so this weekend i'll put in the mat, do water changes, and see any effect or not. But very siong PirateLaugh, notice i cry n laugh at the same time. very tired.

Vincent


patrick123
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Oct 16, 2002, 6:38 AM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Vincent,

Why you say very siong? Is it the money of changing the bio materials? or is the energy wasted? I thought koi keeping is supposed to be a fun thing? Cool

Anyway, I don't advise that you change out all coral chips at the same time and replace with jap mat. This way, you will be starting your tank as if it is brand new....you going to have more problem and more "siong" for you as the ammonia and nitrite will start to shoot up again.

Put in the jap mat, but slowly remove the coral chips a little bit at a time. Bear in mind that in a small tank, coral chips not only serve as a bio filter but also mech filter....but your jap mat are only good for bio....so your water clarity will drop at the beginning. Things to look into is also bio-rings or bio-home. These are good bio materials and offer a lot of surface area for good bacteria to colonise. It will be especially useful if your filter is small.

Anymore questions, please shoot.

Cheers,

Patrick


Vincent
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Oct 19, 2002, 4:34 AM


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Re: [patrick123] Shy problem

hi Patrick and the others,

yeah, the weekend is here, and have taken out the corel stones before your previous posting advising me not to take out the corel stones. but nevermind, i have bought new japnese mat, but it will take long time for the bio bact to be developed.

Wah, very siong of cleaning the filter. My filter has only 3 compartments and no bottom drain. So every time, i have to take out the stack of mat and use a pump to pump out the dirty water. In the end of exercise, feeling tired and make me less willing to wash the filter.Crazy

So i'm thinking of getting a fibreglass tank filter of size 4 feet by 1.5 by 1.5 with bottom drain for easy maintenance. Anyone knows which koi farm sells them and for how much? I have searched the forum, no result.


jsoon
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Oct 19, 2002, 6:00 PM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Vincent,

I also have the same problem as you with my first pond and what I did was to attached a pump and a small hose in the compartment and when I want to wash the filter, I would have a connector to the small hose and pump out the dirt.

It is not 100% that you can get rid of all the dirt but at least you do not disturb the good bugs.


koifun
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Oct 20, 2002, 1:25 AM


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Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

Hi, Vincent

For that size of filter have u considered using 8mm thickness glass material to do? It will be cheaper and can keep your filter condition checked visually now and then.

I have made one vertical glass tower ( W30cm x L42cm x H90cm) with three compartments and brushes in the 1st compartment, Jap mat in 2nd and third comp. The centre comp is narrow ( jap mat placed in vertical arrangement ) for water passage only. This serves as mechanical filter before water enters the main filter tank which now serves solely as biological filter. It works wonderfully well for more than a month with no algae at all. On top of the glass tower have a few water plants ( fully submerged and partially submerged types ) to take away nitrate and decorative - so no need TT for the time being as the water parameters are very good. Imagine I have 23 kois in a 8 x 4 x 2.5 FB pond and are all healthy, happy and hungry ( 3H standard ). I also rear a few guppies in the 3rd comp to double sure the water is good b4 entering into the main filter tank ( 1st line of defence ) and they are thriving. Water test on the 3rd compartment show up very well too with 0 ammonium, 0 nitrite and 20 ppm nitrate - the same result as the pond water parameters.

Another good thing about this addition is I make the bottom drains much bigger so water can be discharged very fast rate to clear trapped debris. The fast rate is also partly due to pressure of water since it is vertical.

This glass tower is like an aquarium and is also like a miniature highrise building - very nice looking indeed surrounded with plants like bird nest ferns etc..

The cost is about S$100 vs a FB of $200 or more as mold is required for specially designed tank.

Hope that help.

Rgds




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    Vincent
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    Oct 20, 2002, 4:58 AM


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    Re: [Koifun] Shy problem

    hi Koifun,

    yeah, my filter is actually made of glass material with 3 compartments and 4by1.5by1.5, but no bottom drainUnsure.

    Where or which contractor do u make your glass tower? Or u make it yourself? Where do u get the material?

    Vincent


    koifun
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    Oct 20, 2002, 7:34 AM


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    Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

    OK. Vincent

    Are u dwelling near Serangoon area? If u come from Braddel Road turn left to serangoon, on your righthand side ( over the otherside of the new flyover ) there is a row of shophouses and three glass merchants spread over the row. I made from the first one that is next to a tyre shop. You ask around to bargain for the cheapest. Remember, as far as I know every hole made on the glass is $3.00 - any size( some fish shop may charge $15.00 as they sub out to glass maker to do it )

    You have to design it yourself and ask them to make for u otherwise they will charge u consultation - just a joke! But possible !Unimpressed Please feel free to ask if more info required. I will be most happy to assist. CheersSly




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    koifun
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    Oct 20, 2002, 8:15 AM


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    Re: [Koifun] Shy problem

    Vincent

    Sorry, I didn't read your previous message b4 writing to u. Now I understand after going back to the earlier messages posted by u that u are already using glass tank wanting to change to FB. My advice might not be suitable then . Have a good week ends.Sly




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    Vincent
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    Oct 21, 2002, 4:44 AM


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    Re: [Koifun] Shy problem

    hi Koifun,

    But after drilling the hole, what do they use to stop the water from leaking? Can they fixed something like a tap, to turn on and off to let go of the waste material? Your glass tower has a bottom tap to release the waste right? Is it stable, i mean is there any leakage from the hole?

    Thanks.
    Vincent


    koifun
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    Oct 21, 2002, 12:46 PM


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    Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

    U can buy a PVC ball valve from the hardware shop - cost about $4.50 for 25mm diameter.




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    koifun
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    Oct 21, 2002, 12:50 PM


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    Re: [Koifun] Shy problem

    u also need to buy a PVC threaded joint for both inside and outside which cost about $3 for both . Then plug in a 25mm PVC pipe followed by ball valve. Cut a tyre rubber gasket for the outside join. There will definitely no leak if fix probably .

    Rgds




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    Vincent
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    Oct 27, 2002, 6:03 AM


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    Re: [Koifun] Shy problem

    hi all,

    yeah, I have changed the water 50%, and clean the filter using old tank water last weeke end, and yes, the koi did calm down slightly i observed through the whole of last week, but not much difference before I changed the water. I did add salt and some soda bicarbonate to balance the water to 0.2% salt and 8dKh.

    But the small kois and few others still not feeding much on the floating food. Only few bigger kois snatched up all the food.

    But I discovered one important thing: all these months I never realised. Yesterday, I just happen not to switch on the tank lights because I'm changing the electrical plug, so the lights not on, but i throw in the food. To my shturprise, the smaller koi did come up to eat. And the rest of the koi too. They are feeding quite relax and not dash up and down. Previously ony the bigger koi will feed relaxly and others just dash up and down.

    Now I'm going to experienting it with the lights: I'm going to get those switch that slowly on the lights and not suddenly just on the lights. Because I remember that time when I bought back the small koi, previously it is feeding happyily on the food, only after sometime when i suddenly off the light, it got scared and dash for cover, ever since then it never come up for food except sinking food. So yesterday, i did not on the light and it come up! i'm quite happy though. Wink Hopefully after getting those switch, it will not get scare. Like the pond outside, sunlight only appear slowly. But for indoor tank, i hope can simulate to be sunlight, switch on and off slowly.

    Just want to ask u guys, do u on and off your lights suddenly? and if u have small koi, they do get scared right?

    Vincent


    koifun
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    Oct 27, 2002, 8:12 AM


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    Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

    Hi, Vicent

    Nice to hear from you again.

    Kois do get frightened if infrequently on/off the light. Nevertheless, they may get accustomed to it very soon and will stop dashing when light is on suddently if the act of on/off light is not once in a blue moon. I always on the pond light at night when I come back from work at night and they are quite used to it. What I mentioned above refers to light outside the pond, be it a spot light or not. If the spot light is inside the tank, I think the kois will take longer period to get used to it or may even not if the light intensity is too strong. In your case of a glass tank, whether light is inside the tank or not makes no diferent as the kois will receive light from more angle - thus a dash to avert a danger is but a normal behaviour.

    A dimmer will definitely help if the kois are unable to adapt after a regular training.

    Happy koi keeping!

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    jsoon
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    Oct 28, 2002, 8:40 AM


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    Re: [Koifun] Shy problem

    I think Vincent is using those waterproof aquarium light. Not too suitable for Koi in the long run. In any case, put the light above the water.

    Why ?

    - to prevent over heating of the water

    - to prevent alage from growing unto your light casing or glass.


    xu5w
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    Nov 15, 2002, 2:48 AM


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    Re: [patrick123] Shy problem

    wad can a coral chips help to do? Is it those white color coral chips u can buy from any fish shops that pple usually use it to deco at the bottom of their aquarium?


    johnson lee
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    Nov 15, 2002, 4:11 AM


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    Re: [xu5w] Shy problem

    Hi there

    You are right regarding the description of coral chips. Because they are carbonate based, they are normally used to stabilise the pH of the pond. Some people use them as a filter media or as you mentioned, to decorate the bottom fo the aquarium.

    If you intend to use corals to help stabilise the pH, I would suggest you switch to oyster shells or cockles (same function) and less problems. Corals with their small pores are harder to clean and that allows bad bacteria to breed in there.

    Johnson


    xu5w
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    Nov 15, 2002, 12:34 PM


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    Re: [johnson lee] Shy problem

    shell.. hmmm... can use any kinds of shell or...?? i will be buying a filter (3ft x 1ft), wad sort of stuff can i put in it? sponge, coral chips ... and..?


    KevKoi
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    Nov 15, 2002, 11:50 PM


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    Re: [xu5w] Shy problem

    Be careful with coral chips... u really don't need that much. Maybe 5KG in a net bag (for easy removal). Don't just throw in the coral chips into the filter chamber or u'll have a tough time taking 'em out piece by piece when the time comes to clean it. Put it in several net bags and drop them in the LAST chamber of your filter.

    Don't be tempted to overdo the coral chips. It's cheap, so some pond builders cut corners by just filling the filter chamber with tons of coral chips... water will be good and clear for a while, but eventually ull be running into anaerobic bacterial problems.

    In your 3' x 1' filter (if possible get one size bigger 4' x 1' x 2.5' tall), use mostly plastic filter material (it's light, easy to remove and provides plenty of surface area for bacterial colonisation). I pack my FG box filter with black filter brushes (packed tightly, cost about RM9-10 a brush) and green japanese matting, with 5kg shell/coral chips in the final chamber.

    cheers.


    xu5w
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    Nov 18, 2002, 3:16 AM


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    Re: [KevKoi] Shy problem

    ok thanks.. but didnt u put in sponge? i thought sponge will be better to trap their waste... Anyway, whats green japanese matting?


    KevKoi
    Koi Kichi


    Nov 20, 2002, 1:41 AM


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    Re: [xu5w] Shy problem

    If it 'traps' dirt, it will clog... ie the filter will overflow or it will start breeding anearobic bacteria. We aim to SETTLE the heavy particles at the bottom. Not to strain it out.


    xu5w
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    Nov 20, 2002, 3:09 AM


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    Re: [KevKoi] Shy problem

    oh i see.. but, would it be a mess if u wanted to wash away the settlements? hmm.. i thought so..


    KevKoi
    Koi Kichi


    Nov 20, 2002, 7:19 AM


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    Re: [xu5w] Shy problem

    wash? what wash? I just drop in a pump to suck up all the sediment that has settled at the bottom to the drain (no bottom drain, those FG box filters.) after removing the brushes. EAsy. Give the brush a good shake in a pail of pond water and that's done.


    xu5w
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    Nov 20, 2002, 12:56 PM


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    Re: [KevKoi] Shy problem

    oh... TongueTongueTongue i see..


    rover
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    Feb 28, 2003, 12:07 PM


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    Re: [xu5w] Shy problem

    Surely the title of this post should be Coy Koi?


    ruenchuan
    New User

    Jun 1, 2003, 9:39 PM


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    Re: [jsoon] Shy problem

    hi ..can i have the email with the attachment also..? i also plan to upgrade my glass tank


    jsoon
    User

    Jun 2, 2003, 9:11 AM


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    Re: [ruenchuan] Shy problem

    Hi,



    You can retrieve my pic from member pond section under jsoon fibre glass pond.


    BirdzWord
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    Jul 19, 2003, 6:38 AM


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    Re: [Vincent] Shy problem

    HI Vincent----I have only been keeping koi fo a year now, I have them in a pond in the back yard in the big city (always wanted one no matter where I live) anyway, I have trained my koi. They come to you and let you pet them. Alond with your reg. koi food, get some koi cooki or some kind of treat for them that is big enough for you to hold between your fingers. At a time before you feed them their reg. food first wiggle your fingers just under the surface of the water just fast enough to make a noise without scarring them (it maight the first week or so but don't give up). Then with a treat in your fingers hold it still down in the water and very still. Eventually they will related the wiggle noise to treats and hey will start lettingg you pet them (give that part some time, if you've had them a while it will take them longer to trust you maybe). NEVER let kids play in the water, if a seaky one does go wiggle fingers and treat fish to let them know they can trust you. the best of luck to you, I enjoy mine very much, miss them in the cold months. they are much more enjoyable now that they are trained. Roberta


    azndragon0613
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    Jun 22, 2007, 8:23 AM


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    Re: [BirdzWord] Shy problem

    Hmmm let me take a shot at this as well.

    So I too myself recently bought some small koi about 4-5 inches long and, like any other koi keeper out there, I want them to love me as I love them. But, it's instinct for the koi to dash away when they sense a sudden change in the environment. It's because they can't rationalize what's harmful and not harmful that their reactions are so sensitive. Also, koi are schooling fish. They have this line along the sides of the body that sense rapid disturbances in the current of the water. So if one darts, the others know to dart too. I hope this explains some reasons for their behavior.

    Now I'm still a novice at training koi but I've read that koi are very adaptable. After all, they are a very hardy species of fish, able to survive in sub optimal conditions. Some koi may naturally be friendly, but the odds are they probably won't be out of a fish shop. Therefore, you have to use classical conditioning to erase their fear of you.

    Now I am like you in that I have a glass aquarium. Mine is set up in my room. So I started feeding my koi some pellets especially designed for them. The big disadvantage of the pellets was that it was a grab and go. They grabbed one and went down to dissolve it in their mouths which minimized the amount of close visual contact they had for me. So, instead I switched to flakes. I starved them for a day or two to create a need for them. Hunger for the fish is an understandable need, and anything that can cure them of it will let them know where to go when they get hungry. After I starving my koi, I feed them at one spot of the aquarium at a certain time. I dropped a few flakes in and did not leave the premises until one was brave enough to come up and eat. Now the thing about flakes is that it's not so much grab and go. It's more like I'm going to try to get as many flakes as possible before I get scared. So gradually as they see more of you, they trust you much better. My koi are still very shy. There's this one that waits for all the fish to eat in order to dart up and dart back down. But the others are warming up. I sometimes can trick them my fingertip is a flake and they'll nibble at it.

    Last piece of advice: Spend time with your fish and be patient.

    Hope this helps.