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koi2262
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Apr 26, 2008, 9:08 PM

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some koi for comments as not an expert in this. got about 30 koi in my ponds hence trying to reduce hence need some comments on these [inline "kohaku 1.jpg"] [inline "kohaku 1.jpg"][inline kohaku2.jpg] 3



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koi2262
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Apr 26, 2008, 9:44 PM

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koi2262
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Apr 26, 2008, 9:50 PM

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koi2262
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Apr 26, 2008, 9:56 PM

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these are about 25 to 35 cm in size


water
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Apr 28, 2008, 3:41 PM

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Just keep the sankes... your best fish is the bigger sanke in the right of the 2nd posted pictures.
Not sure if you are buying kois from reputable farm and are real japanese bred.... doubt it. Looks more like local bred kois.


koi2262
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Apr 28, 2008, 3:51 PM

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Thanks water. FYI, i bought them are reputable farms that i think most of us would buy from in Jln Puchong, Tmn Desa and TTDI! they cost no less than RM300 per piece when they are just 10 to 15 cm....probably just my luck in getting low quality stuff since not an expert in this....thanks anyway...appreciate your feedback. Will post the others when i have the time to bowl them to see if they worth the keep....


water
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Apr 28, 2008, 4:44 PM

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RM300 per piece is a very cheap price for good quality pieces but not, if they are poor quality. Small kois can cost RM10 to RM3000 or more.... depending on their quality and potential. Sometimes, what you see is not what you get in the near future. And this makes koi buying difficult but the hobby interesting. It is a lesson you have to go through to learn and appreciate the art of picking kois.

Take a look at the fishes posted in the web as well as those at koi shows and you see the difference of good and bad kois gradually. The hi must be thick and clear line dividing the red and white.... and the skin and colour shines. The white or shiroji must be snow white. The body structure promising and this is a little harder to judge - whether the fish can grow up to 80 cm and beyond and how fast it happens (provided that the environment in which they are bred will be good ie. good clean filtered water, low population, good aeration, good food....)

We all have limited sized pond and it is better to keep less fishes of extremely (as you grow in this hobby, trust me - it can be an obsession for quality and beauty of these fishes)... extremely good quality... provide them with good environment and food and see them bloom. It is like a flower coming to age. But last thing you want is to have a lot of poor quality fishes, taking up the precious space in your pond. All of us went through that phase and grow out of it anyway. it is better to have 5 extremely good fishes with a promising future and you look forward to seeing them grow and find out if you made the right judgement in predicting how they will turn out.... than 50 of poor grades and you have nothing to look forward to... really not worth the time/effort and money.

When buying kois, ask to see certificate for some of their kois from the Japanese farm.. nowadays, it is usual for koi farm to provide certificate or at least ask them for the name of the farm in Japan where the fishes are from. In some cases, we even track the parent lineage... ie. Rose Symbol in Sakai or Eagle from Momotaro or Sakura from Dainici....... and we know the parent, grandparent (some were grand champion in Japan)... and hence, the body potential and skin quality. It is no different from buying a show dog where the parent lineage is tracked ie. for some german sherpherd, they are tracked to their grand grandparent in their birth cert.

Spend the time and effort to read, browse the web, talk to hobbyist and dealers... and this hobby can be both challenging but yet, so so enjoyable and consuming.

I am not familiar with KL farms but heard that the reputable ones are Sentul Park, Kepong and Jap Koi? I am sure there are more... but don't think there are that many which will carry and stock good show quality kois. I am based in Singapore and we only have two or three which carries top grades and maybe another two of the medium/general Japanese grades.. Rest is not worth the effort.


koi2262
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Apr 29, 2008, 10:00 AM

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Should have visited this forum way before i start this hobby as i would have save tens of thousand in buying low quality fishes at high prices. MInd u, one of those pieces (kohaku) and possibly the ugliest cost me RM500 when it was only 15 cm.

Well, i suppose most of us go through these difficult time and learn the lesson. at least for now, i wont frequent those places who sold me rotten eggs but will start to visit Sentul Koi for a start...i went there a couple of times but unfortunately, i often being greeted by the foreign workers whom quoted me on both occassion prices beyond RM3 K even for those without certificates hence thought it was not worth the money.

Thanks anyway....


water
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Apr 29, 2008, 10:42 AM

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Take comfort that you are not alone... I have, on occasion, release some of my kois into streams... which costs me hundreds of $$$.... Wonder if they have ended up as food for some predators... HaHaHa.

Besides the koi farm, you can also take a look at the kois sold here in the forum by hobbyists. There is a thread for buy/sell and take a look at some of the kois sold in KL. I have seen one posting by Raymond Hew and some of the fishes there are very good.... and he will help you with your queries - I am sure.


etano
Koi Lover

Apr 29, 2008, 1:43 PM

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ko2262, feel free to ask anything about koi here. We will try to help. I invested a lot of time and books to study how to appreciate koi. There is a pretty good book title "Koi Appreciation: The first step" which you can find in Kinokuniya KLCC for about RM170+. It's really a good start. Like what water said, once you know the way to 'judge' you will truly enjoy the hobby. I buy my koi from Sentul, Atari and Arowana Aquarium, they are reliable.


koi2262
Koi Lover

Apr 29, 2008, 2:09 PM

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thanks and honestly, i do frequent one of 2 of those u mentioned and the lots posted are from them....maybe as i posted in my earlier post, i relied on them to choose for me and thats where i get the lowest quality of the lot. I normally buy when the shipment just arrived hence the prices are steep but supposedly more choices and i normally buy at least 5 pieces at one go.

Anyway, i have learn my lesson and maybe those dealers are fine but the workers are not reliable and will sure make sure i know how and what to choose and do it my own and not dependent on them...

Will try to bowl up the rest, for comments later this weekend or the following.

Thanks

 
 
 



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