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HWONG
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Feb 24, 2002, 2:23 AM

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Crazy So far my koi selection has been left in the hands of the firendly dealer and friends. I intend to pick some myself but quite confused. I am hoping some of U gurus out here can give me some pointers.

KOHAKU (15-20cm range)- should I chose one with heavy hi? Should the kiwa be blurr or defined. Is the redness important at this age.

KINDAI-SHOWA (15-20cm)- I like a lot of white in a showa. What should I look for when selecting one.

COLOUR-Since bloodline has a very strong influence in the redness of the HI,(assuming my info is correct) which Japanese farm/breeder should I look for. I am more particular about colour than size. Some say dont take chances and stay with known bloodlines.

SHAPE-Where I have seen Kois and not may I admit, I observe that Large Kois are often out of shape and have deformities. Will most Kois turn out that way when they are large and or old. This is one reasons why I dont mind smaller sized Kois.

Looking forward to your advice. Thks n Rgds.


ortega10@
Koi Lover

Feb 24, 2002, 5:39 PM

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Hello Hwong!

I'm but a beginner, but if I were to be allowed to make some comments...

Here goes -

Hi - In young Kohaku, and the same goes for other varieties, try to look for good solid orange-red, as opposed to dark red. Dark red looks nicer in our pond, but for a small fish to be very red when young, it probably means that it had been fed heavily on color intensifiers, which is not good for the koi's growth. Hi will thicken year after year, depending on the growup environment, and with sufficient color enhancers in its diet when it's slightly larger, it will turn red. Another point, even if you buy a solid red kohaku, the color will fade with varying degrees, again, depending on diet and water. Maybe you might like to look for good white, which is important for any red to really stand out, and sharp kiwa.

Kindai Showa - IMHO, showas are the most unorthodox varieties amongst the go-sankes. There aren't any hard set rules about the markings, except that it should be pleasing to the eye, and most importantly, balanced. In Showa, a certain guru of mine taught me the most important thing - "Hi goes, Sumi Grows". A perfectly balanced kindai showa might grow up with lots of black. Similarly a dark showa might fade to become a kindai showa, however this is rarer. Perhaps you might want to look out for a kohaku/sanke lookalike when it's 15-20cm. That way, you might get a better chance. Look out for hidden sumi beneath the white or red. These are usually signs of where sumi will come up later.

Bloodline - Only Kohakus and Sankes have true bloodlines. Other varieties are somewhat like the breeders own distinct characteristics. I don't want to comment on this, nor do I know enough to comment on this. Before you purchase bloodline koi, try to learn to identify the different characteristics of the different bloodlines. I must add, apart from bloodline, colour is very dependent on diet and environment. Koi do not produce their own color cells, so they must eat enhancements in our pond to gain color pigments. Maybe you might want to read up on the articles and resources on www.cyberfins.com to find out more about diet and coloration.

Shape - Koi need an average of 5-6 feet minimum of water to get enough pressure to maintain their body shape. I assume the deformities you are talking about are the bulging belly or lop-sided bellies. Large female koi tend to have eggs stored in them, more often than not the eggs are not balanced on both sides. If local koi are concerned, some of them have it in their genes. It takes a lot to grow a koi to 80cm, and the rule of the thumb is, the deeper the water, the better.

If I am wrong in any of my comments, could anyone feel free to correct me?

All in all, I'd recommend you to buy koi around 30-35cm, or at least bigger than 25cm. They are more stable, and it's easier to find what you want.

Cheers,

Daniel


ortega10@
Koi Lover

Feb 24, 2002, 7:19 PM

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Sorry for the previous long post. I'll add a link to an article which would help you. It helped me a lot!



http://www.lotuslandkoifarm.com/Articles/The_Basics_of_Hi/the_basics_of_hi.html


HWONG
Koi Addict

Feb 24, 2002, 9:49 PM

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Thanks Daniel,

Read the site you recommended. good info. Base on what the author says, A potentially good koi doesnt look attractive when young. The average novice like myself would find it very difficult to select the koi unless the dealer or your good n trusted friend swears by it. Today I bought a 15cm kohaku for my daughter. The decision was based on its attractiveness (Inazuma with sharp kiwa and red lips).

I was also attracted to a 2 yr old sanke (Sakai farm) very white base, deep red Hi. It looked very finished in terms of coloration. I hesitated bcos a young koi should not look so finished. Will it lose its colour as it grows bigger. Then again if the koi was not so attractive, I would hesitate to part with the asking price. Fortunately, my Home Minister was with me. I backed off. But I am still thinking about that fish. Maybe our Sifus can offer advise on this.

Cheers!


ortega10@
Koi Lover

Feb 25, 2002, 12:47 AM

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If we could have a little koi-outing, then maybe it might help beginners like yours truly. Any kind koi-masters willing to sacrifice time for a koi-hunting trip?

The Singapore Koi Club does organise koi-hunting trips every now and then. I'm still waiting for the next one. =)

Perhaps one day we could go on a little trip ourself, if noone else is interested. Email me if you wish to!

BTW, did you buy the inazuma for yourself, or for your daughter?? Tongue


HWONG
Koi Addict

Feb 25, 2002, 10:37 AM

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Cool Believe it or not; my daughter was pestering me since she doesnt have a Kohaku like her brother does. My son tried very hard to get a Showa on the same pretext. My younger kids are enjoying the hobby just like I am. My son has read quite a bit of the Koi books, asking questions. He actually bargained down the price for her sister when I was reluctant to buy. The next koi hunting trip, I am bringing him along for sure.We are also trying to interest our Home Minister.

To answer yr quest. I bought the koi for my daughter.Wink


ortega10@
Koi Lover

Feb 25, 2002, 5:03 PM

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Cool!

If your Home Minister is interested also, boy! I can't imagine 4 ponds in a house! A Koi Family eh? However, bear in mind that koi can grow... fast...

It's good that the younger generation are interested in koi too. Education begins from young, right?

 
 
 



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