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deenblitzed
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Jul 15, 2008, 9:58 PM

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I recently won this kohaku in an auction at SPKC last weekend. Been wanting to own a kohaku of the Kagura/Murata parentage. The kohaku is turning 12 months old next week, guaranteed female & is 40cm long.

As for the Showa, I acquired it through SPKC as well a few months back. Haven't seen the fish in the flesh yet. Currently in the Maruyama Koi Farm mudponds. Info about the showa; its 12 months old, guaranteed female, according to the cert its 36cm (have no idea when she was measured) & Dainichi/Maruyama parentage Any thoughts on these 2 pieces?

Jeroboam
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Jul 15, 2008, 11:00 PM

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The showa sure looks really good

deenblitzed
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Jul 16, 2008, 1:31 PM

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looks good in the photo, i hope it looks better in real life Tongue

. never seen her before.

harvesting her this autumn.

no comments about the kohaku Smile

DavidSoon
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Jul 16, 2008, 7:36 PM

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Hi Deen ,

This Showa by far , is one of the best Showa that we have seen in months in this Forum . Very Good choice . Sly

I don't even have one close to this . Smile

Cheers
David

rosequeen
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Jul 16, 2008, 7:50 PM

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rosequeen
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Jul 16, 2008, 7:55 PM

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rosequeen
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Jul 16, 2008, 8:02 PM

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Which pcs is better , big boy david . Cool

deenblitzed
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Jul 16, 2008, 8:30 PM

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Hi Deen ,

This Showa by far , is one of the best Showa that we have seen in months in this Forum . Very Good choice . Sly

I don't even have one close to this . Smile

Cheers
David

Uncle David,

Thanks for your kind & flattering remarks. I don't dare bringing the showa back until I build a house worthy for a fish of this stature. Maybe just leave it in Japan for another year or two until I manage to do so.

It would be great if you could use your vast experience to discuss the merits/demerits of this fish. Thanks! Smile

Still dreaming of finding a Sanke like David's Sanke aka D Sanke of Sakai Fish Farm. The pictures of her never fail to make me drool as I rate Sankes as my favourite in the elite Go-Sanke trio.

DavidSoon
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Jul 16, 2008, 9:54 PM

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Hi Rosequeen ,

Of the 3 Showas , Rayson's muto showa has the nicest face pattern now , while your last showa with the masked eye patch , will turn out supered if the hidden sumi on the left face starts to surface , which is quite likely . Both your Showa has supered bodies , much better in bodyline than snowy's showa Your initial showa has a common pattern though but with 100 grams of wheatgerm for your showa , rayson might need 200 grams and still not catch up on body size with yours ... Wink

These are merely my comments based on the current pictures you posted Rosequeen .. Sly

No Prejudice .

Cheers
David

p.s - you guys certainly keeping lots of " secret weapons " ... would love to see how these showas turn out to be after this year's harvest ...
Sly

DavidSoon
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Jul 16, 2008, 10:20 PM

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Rosequeen

These are also 2 Showas I bought last year and still in the Momotaro mud-pond and hopefully I can get to see them during this end year harvest . The face Sumi of one of the Showas is very very faint and hardly visible . If it appears then it would looks fine , if it doesn't , looks like I will be stuck with a Hybrid Sanke ... Sly

53 bu - D.O.B May 2006 51 bu - D.O.B May 2006

Pictures were provided by Momotaro during last October Auction -

Feel free to comments .. Sly

Cheers
David

jackyolk
Koi Lover

Jul 16, 2008, 11:36 PM

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Hello David Bro,

Just want to add one point .
Rayson [ Muto Showa ] was only a tosai , while the other 2 Dainichi are nisais .
So comparing the body of a tosai against those of nisais is like comparing apples and oranges . Smile

All are good tategoi and in time the tosai will mature and bulk up and have comparable body conformity . Sly

Your Momotaro Showa both are good too .......................cheers Wink

Jeroboam
Koi Lover

Jul 16, 2008, 11:40 PM

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Hi guys
I just Love showas i think they are the best out of the gosankes but i have to admit there are more and more good sankes that cathes my eye. All the showas are just lovely. Wish i can go to japan one day and buy one fish and leave it at the dealer so it can grow big hehe
Cheers

jackyolk
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Jul 16, 2008, 11:56 PM

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Nisai Showa 55cm on Feb-08

Nisai Showa 52cm on Nov-07

David Bro please comments , Both are my [ dream koi ] Smile

Regards,
jackyolk Wink

DavidSoon
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Jul 17, 2008, 1:06 AM

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Showa 1 Showa 2
Bro Jacky !! Smile

These 2 comparison already made .. Sly

, honestly bro , if Sumi on showa 2 surface , then showa 2 would be a more prefered Showa . Both have strong pattern and bodies , but showa 2 is more even in terms of beni / sumi and shiroji . My bet is Showa 2 will still turn out better . Sly

For Young Koi Show both out , but your 55 cm Showa with the strong beni and sumi will kick out this 2 , but for future show in a bigger category , I feel these 2 Showas will kick your Showa out ... Sly

Just my opinion ... no prejudice Bro Jacky . Sly

Cheers
David

monscine
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Jul 17, 2008, 3:14 AM

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Hi Deen ,

This Showa by far , is one of the best Showa that we have seen in months in this Forum . Very Good choice . Sly

I don't even have one close to this . Smile

Cheers
David

I am 1000% agree with uncle David. This showa just makes me suddenly hungry. Better I eat something until full and fall asleep than sleepless thinking of this showa Angelic

Cheers,

ikoi
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Jul 17, 2008, 4:06 AM

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I like the showa pretty much. It's so nice and very balanced. Awesome!!! Please keep us posted with new pictures when it matures.

deenblitzed
Koi Lover

Jul 17, 2008, 10:03 AM

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If time & resources allows me Ill make my way to Isawa to witness the harvest of the showa & observe its progress.

If that happens I will keep you guys posted Smile

deenblitzed
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Jul 17, 2008, 10:12 AM

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Showa 1 Showa 2
Bro Jacky !! Smile

These 2 comparison already made .. Sly

Just my opinion ... no prejudice Bro Jacky . Sly

Cheers
David

I'll pick the 2nd showa anyday. The body & the volume of the 2nd showa looks awesome. Jumbo material perhaps?

deenblitzed
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Jul 17, 2008, 10:19 AM

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Rosequeen

53 bu - D.O.B May 2006 51 bu - D.O.B May 2006

Pictures were provided by Momotaro during last October Auction -

Feel free to comments .. Sly

Cheers
David

Uncle David,

The 2nd Momo showa in the picture looks exactly like the showa I almost purchased from Oomo Koi Farm (I thought it was the same fish, carbon copies).

Notice the words almost purchased. The 1.2 miliion Yen price tag for a jumbo tosai (42cm before it entered the mudponds) was a bit too prohibitive for my budget Blush

Ended up getting the Maruyama showa I posted in this thread. Well no regrets & proud of it.

jackyolk
Koi Lover

Jul 17, 2008, 2:35 PM

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Hello Bro David Wink

Personally i prefer showa 2, but i was lucky enough to seek a japan breeder [ Sakai Kentaro-San & Odakan Yoshida-San ] comments. Smile

Both agreed that Dainichi showa 1 would be the better one in 2years time and would be ready to win top prizes in the All Japan show then. Sly

When i asked the breeder & dealer why showa 1 is better than showa 2, they said to me jacky , you are good in selecting kohaku & sanke .......................only novice will select showa 2 when comparing with showa 1. Pirate

I agreed , i still did not help all my customers to won good prizes for showa at All Japan Showa. Blush

So both Dainichi Showa 1 & 2 i bought to learn , Showa 1 had sold, Showa 2 still my..............any guys interested on it for showa 2 ??? Wink

Best Regards,
jackyolk Smile

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deenblitzed
Koi Lover

Jul 17, 2008, 3:50 PM

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jacky,

hmmm come to think about it showa 1 has more white to show.

deen (deenblitzed@yahoo.com)

p/s: jacky still waiting for your sanke pictures Tongue

jackyolk
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Jul 17, 2008, 8:37 PM

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jacky,

hmmm come to think about it showa 1 has more white to show.

deen (deenblitzed@yahoo.com)

p/s: jacky still waiting for your sanke pictures Tongue

Hi deen,

Sorry for the late reply Blush

I have a few very good quality, nice pattern Sakai sanke , about 13 to 14month old. Because one of my pond that keeping Sakai koi , condition not so good Pirate

, but recover soon. Wink

Please waiting k Smile

Please give me about two week, I will post up and show you................Cheers Laugh

jackyolk
Koi Lover

Jul 17, 2008, 11:32 PM

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Hi Deen Bro, Smile

This Sanke From Sakai & it belong to David bro , D.Sanke offspring , I get it at Sakai Auction on Dev-07 size was: 33cm . Sly

Looking for owner now.........................he hee Tongue

Now at Sakai mud pond , do you love it ? Smile

Please comment...........................cheers Smile

Best Regards,
jackyolk Cool

kemeer
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Oct 29, 2008, 2:26 PM

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Hi deenblitzed,

As David has mentioned. Your showa is still the best among any that we have seen so far in this forum. Have you got any update on how the showa has developed? Photos or anything..

Regards

Sly

deenblitzed
Koi Lover

Oct 29, 2008, 4:02 PM

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kemeer,

i'm still waiting for her arrive to our shores. according to luke from sentulpark koi centre she will only be harvested in november. me very anxious to see her

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