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koinutx
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Jan 3, 2008, 11:51 AM

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hi koinutx..

i got mine in august, cud it b another left over?? Crazy

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i m no expert interm of scle removal or plastic surgery.. heheheh.. may b mohan can help us here..

rgds

Ops...yours is Aug 07? Maybe that is a Gem that is specially reserved for you. Tongue

I bot my in Mar/Apr 07 at 35-40cm. I dun think ours are from the same batch, bec your kohaku dun have that Pop Eye characteristic.(which is GOOD!) Smile

Your 30cm, could be a Jumbo tosai born early this year? Wink

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thiamhwa
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Jan 3, 2008, 2:16 PM

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Hi Koinutx,

There are certainly differences in the koi even though they are from the same batch. Nonetheless, the
good quality shown here ( inclusive of Mohan's koi ) are probably due to individual koi keeping skill, IMHO.
I think Mohan's koi do not have the 'pop eyes' characteristic. In your case, it could be due to the high
protein foods which you are feeding.

With your koi now enjoying the privilege of a 160 tons size pond, hopefully we may see a major improvement
in the next 6 months. Please keep us posted.

BTW, what is this 'FD Primo' that you have used to improve on the body conformation?

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa

koinutx
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Jan 4, 2008, 8:46 AM

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BTW, what is this 'FD Primo' that you have used to improve on the body conformation?

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa

Thiam Hwa,

this is the packing looks like this.

There are 2 type, Colour-up, and Built-up.
Have not tried the colour up, was told that it was too strong that secondary hi can also come out. Pirate

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thiamhwa
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Jan 4, 2008, 9:01 AM

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Hi Koinutx,

Thanks for the infor. Will have to check it out here locally.

Cheerio,
Thiam Hwa

koi@kit
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Jan 5, 2008, 7:34 AM

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Hi Thiamhwa..

check out for more koi food here.. http://maxkoifarm.com/web/Food.htm

last time i visited kepongkoi, saw a few pack there, may b u can go n check it out there..

rgds

koinutx
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Jan 5, 2008, 10:14 AM

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Hi Thiamhwa..

check out for more koi food here.. http://maxkoifarm.com/web/Food.htm

last time i visited kepongkoi, saw a few pack there, may b u can go n check it out there..

rgds

I think Kepong is selling the Colour only.

Max Koi and JK are selling the FD Primo food over here. Smile

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koi@kit
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Jan 5, 2008, 10:38 AM

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Hi Koinutx..

any diffrent in the packing btw the FD primo and the one selling at kepong (colour up) koi food? is the one in 20kg packing selling at max the primo??

do primo and colour come in 4kg packing ?? tks

rgds

(This post was edited by koi@kit on Jan 5, 2008, 10:42 AM)

koinutx
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Jan 5, 2008, 11:17 AM

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For the FD Colour and Primo, there are some slight different in term of packaging colour and pattern. Size and design of packaging is the same. all are in 4 kg pack.

The 20kg one, I'm not sure which one, could be something call Built-up, which I didn't try before.
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koi@kit
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Jan 5, 2008, 2:08 PM

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Hi Koinutx,

any diffrent when u switch to dis FD food? wat koi food u used b4 this?

koinutx
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Jan 5, 2008, 5:34 PM

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The fish are more active and bulky. I used FD only abt 2 mths plus (for all meals).
before that Saki Hikari Hi growth, Hi Silk and Momotaro white.
(if you look at my Sanke thread, you can see the different in Body on the Sanke on Aug 07 and Jan 08, after changing to FD food).

Also, this one will not be soften and messy like the Hi Silk when soak for a few minutes. Smile

Right now, I'm using FD 2 meal and 1 meal Saki Hikari Hi growth.....! trying to be more economical. Tongue

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(This post was edited by koinutx on Jan 5, 2008, 5:43 PM)

Mohan
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Jan 6, 2008, 12:56 PM

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hi koinutx..

i m no expert interm of scle removal or plastic surgery.. heheheh.. may b mohan can help us here..

rgds

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Hi Kit,koinutx& Thiamhwa
Neither am I an expert.
IMHO I think the scales are not removed.
The first circle is a kikusi & it is a defect- you can find a similar defect in one of my female koi.
Perhaps we can try out the strong clour food that you guys are discussing about- it might close the gap.
For the record, my 2 females are touching the 64/65 cm mark.
Hkk
Mohan. Cool

koinutx
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Jan 6, 2008, 8:10 PM

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Mohan, Yours at 64/65...you are a real Grower of Koi....Yours will probably past the 70 marks, when the koi is full 2 yrs old in May.... Cool

or maybe you should target 75cm by then... Tongue

How did you do that....any secret recipe to share.... Wink

or just oxygen and food.
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Mohan
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Jan 15, 2008, 8:46 PM

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Hi Koinutx,
Sorry for the belated reply.
I notice that my pond water is improving day by day.
Further I reduced the keep in spells & bounds.
The secret is you take care of the water & the kois will take care of themselves.
I feed saki high growth & colour.
Some paste food with my special requirement.
WE ARE GOING FOR THE S"PORE YOUNG KOI SHOW (19/1/080_hope to see you there.
Hkk
Mohan. Cool

(This post was edited by Mohan Ghandi on Jan 15, 2008, 8:50 PM)

koinutx
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Jan 16, 2008, 11:31 AM

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Yes, Mohan...hoe to see you there.
and hope your dream koi will win... Cool

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Mohan
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Jan 16, 2008, 11:15 PM

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Hi Koinutx,
We are also trying to bring along some kois from here.
It is fun attending koi shows. I feel one will have more FUN if one competes
in the show im material of the fact you win or lose.
It is not easy taking the koi to S'pore from here- if the Thais can do it why not us?
This time we are holding the show in a better & bigger venue- hope you guys will
reciprocate by taking part in our show.
Hkk
Mohan. Cool

(This post was edited by Mohan Ghandi on Jan 16, 2008, 11:35 PM)

Mohan
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May 18, 2008, 1:31 PM

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Hello Koi Kichis

My foursome Kohakus will be reaching Nisai status soon.I thought it is about time to share the progress.It is now reduced to �twosome� because I discarded the two males.

I have decided to slow down the growth and starting feeding clour enhancing food. I want the hi to consolidate. Any comments out there?

69cm

68cm
Hkk
Mohan. Cool

(This post was edited by Mohan Ghandi on May 18, 2008, 1:34 PM)

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larz1
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May 18, 2008, 8:41 PM

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Good bodies on both, but the frame on the first is very impressive, especially the tail tube. That is going to be a very thick bodied Koi. I wish the little window in the large hi plate would either close completely or open up all the way to the lateral line. Perhaps a little lemon juice and a q-tip could fix that some day if it needs a little help... Wink

Shiroji and Beni on both appear equal and strong. The sashi on the larger one blurs the break behind the head, but time will clear that up. The shiro in the tail tube and down the sides tells the true story, which is very nice. The heads are still a bit yellow, but less so than before. Considering they are on color enhanced food it isn't bad at all, and should clear up when you switch to a show prep diet down the road.

OK, time for others to speak up so I can read and learn more Smile

Mohan
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May 18, 2008, 11:44 PM

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Perhaps a little lemon juice and a q-tip could fix that some day if it needs a little help... Wink

Hi Larzl.
Can you pls explain further.
Hi Thiamhwa,
Did you try FD primo -how is the results-where can we get it in K.L.?
Hkk
Mohan. Cool

(This post was edited by Mohan Ghandi on May 18, 2008, 11:48 PM)

larz1
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May 19, 2008, 3:26 AM

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A cotton swab with lemon juice can be used to "erase" stray beni or clean up unwanted beni if a fish needs touching up. It is naturally acidic, and has some bleaching properties without negative side effects. It works well for small areas and requires no scalpel. (I realize it is a sensitive topic for some, but we all know well that a little touch up work is quite common, especially among breeders and dealers)
The lemon juice softens the color cells and penetrates deeply enough to lift stray beni from the skin. It takes a few weeks for the full results to be seen, and a second treatment may be needed to finish the job. It is especially good for removing spots of secondary hi that pop up in unwanted areas, and it does no damage to the shiroji or sumi in the case of sanke/showa.

Mohan
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Mar 15, 2009, 12:06 PM

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Hi larzl & all over there,

It is about 7 months since I posted my kohakus. Today I thought it is about time to net them & share the progress with you. Both is touching 72cm. I told you that I am trying to slow down growth .But in realty ,IMHO ,I think the growth rate has not toned down because bigger koi tend to grow slower at this stage. Lastly i think the hi is consolidating...... I need
to start with paste food to built up the volume.

Before Nov 19, 2006

Today: The head hi has enlarged?

Before Nov 19, 2006

Today: The first two steps separated & the kiwa is getting sharper????

Hkk
Mohan. Cool

(This post was edited by Mohan Ghandi on Mar 15, 2009, 1:05 PM)

Alankeith
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Mar 15, 2009, 9:50 PM

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hi bro mohan,
ur koi looked very impressive in term of the kiwa , most important of all the body mass and the growth rate. Congrats on havin both fishes. Hope that the sanke and mako showa i bought from vincent will have the same growth rate as urs Laugh

i will be catching up to check my fish growth rate in May will keep fellow koi kichi of their developments . Tongue

larz1
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Mar 15, 2009, 10:37 PM

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Very impressive development. There are several things I'll be curious to see after you switch your feeding regime.

Both have good frames to build on and I'm particularly impressed with the tail tubes on both of them. Adding bulk to the rest of their bodies will really add an impression of power. The color feeding has done its job well and switching to a good paste food should do the trick. One of the things that surprises me a bit is the way the beni on the 2nd one has moved into the left eye now. I really didn't see that coming and I wonder if switching away from color enhancers will cause that to pull back. Also, the small window of shiroji along the dorsal line has almost completely closed and I wonder what the food change will do to that.

What kind of paste food do you plan to use to bulk them up? Does it contain a high amount of silkworm powder? I'm curious because feeding luster to the skin at the same time you add bulk seems to maintain strength in all colors while purifying shiroji at the same time.

Another question for you about food. Is the EA ONE line of foods available there? I have not used it personally (yet), but several friends of mine have with outstanding results. It not only feeds excellent growth but what is does for their skin is truly amazing. I plan to get some in the near future for show prep feeding to see for myself.

Mohan
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Mar 21, 2009, 10:06 PM

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Hi Alannkeith,
Thanks for your kind words.
Pls post your koi pix for our viewing pleasure.
Hkk
Mohan. Cool

Mohan
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Mar 24, 2009, 12:05 AM

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Hi Larzl,

Thanks for your comments.
We use izeki paste food.
I am interested in the Ea line paste food.
Unfortunately we cannot get it here.Hope you can give us more details.
I was indeed delaying with the reply hopping some koi kichis will respond to the paste food you mentioned
but was extremely surprised with the lukewarm interest shown- what happened to our koikichis???
Now I am trying to push up the bulk.
The hi covering the eye is not a problem with sansai but it will be a lot lot better if it was not there.
A little surgery will do the trick but risky.
Hkk
Mohan. Cool

larz1
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Mar 24, 2009, 1:08 AM

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The EAOne line of foods is not a paste food, but rather a regular food made with polycheate worms, crustaceans, and vegetables as the base ingredients. You can read a bit more about it here:
http://www.mystickoi.com/prod442.html
One of the things that is interesting about it is the ability of the Polycheate worms to regenerate severed tissues and the possibility that that characteristic may improve the healing ability of Koi. Interesting concept.
I'm surprised it isn't already available there as it is manufactured and marketed by Evolution Aqua. I know kaldness k1 isn't as commonly used there as it is in Europe and America, but I assume it is still carried by some dealers. If so, they should be able to get some for you if you wanted to try it out as an experiment unless there is an import restriction on food products from the EU.

I would hesitate to attempt to trim the beni around the eye myself, but then again you and your sons have already proven yourselves to have very skilled hands at cleaning things up. It is the location that gives me concern about how well it would be able to heal without leaving a visible scar.
Part of me wonders if it would not recede on its own at least to a large degree once the color food is removed for a period of time. It is also worth noting that such a fault in a small fish is easily overlooked in larger sizes as even in some of the Japanese shows major awards have been given to Jumbo Koi with powerful bodies and strong patterns to match.

I am becoming increasingly convinced that feeding the "health" of Koi skin has a more powerful influence on depth, quality, and longevity of color than anything else we can do. Not only is the shiroji ground purified, but the health of the skin at the cellular level improves the abililty of the skin to establish and maintain bold colors and patterns for many years. This is just a matter of speculaiton on my part, but it makes sense to me anyway.

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