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What is the differnece between Japanese Koi and Domestic ones?

l_z_w
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Mar 7, 2003, 9:05 AM

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I'm new to Koi and would like to know what big difference is there between Koi bred in Japan and Koi bred here locally ? And why are bloodlines so important ? Thanks in advance for all the replies....

scorpio168
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Mar 7, 2003, 9:39 AM

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Hi,

I think is the quality wise...

Japanese breed tends to be more rich in color...

Cheers,

Aaron
Koi Koi Koi...

mattloui
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Mar 7, 2003, 5:58 PM

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this topic was discussed more times than i could recall and yet i still have some doubts as to how to differentiate between them, i mean to put on writing. Only i can say is that i think i could tell immediately whether the koi is local or from Japan simply by looking at them but then again......

TanSL should be able to give some pointers.
CHEERS

chrisamos
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Mar 10, 2003, 4:14 PM

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hi

below is local kohaku from nippon. how do u think abt it. it a female toasi & now was 45cm Shocked

happy koiing

chris

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koifun
Koi Kichi

Mar 10, 2003, 4:23 PM

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Unbelievable!!! That koi is local? Then what is the different? Sly

I will take this local koi any time and ppl will still ask from which farm in Japan. I hope u are not kidding. Unimpressed

"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. - Euripides"

chrisamos
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Mar 10, 2003, 4:41 PM

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hi

i'm no kidding, this koi really from nippon koi, i myself also get a stock when i bring back this koi from grooming. it is same as the aka muji parent form nippon

scorpio168
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Mar 10, 2003, 4:53 PM

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Hi,

A japanese koi but breed by Nippion?

Cheers,

Aaron
Koi Koi Koi...

koifun
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Mar 10, 2003, 4:55 PM

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So it is of Japanese koi parents but bred in Singapore at Nippon Koi. How much did u pay for it at what size and how long does it take to reach 45cm? Sly

"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. - Euripides"

chrisamos
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Mar 11, 2003, 11:49 AM

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hi

abt the price i don't quite remember but not more than $350. when i brought that time was only 23cm & it take abt 4 month to reach 45cm.

happy koiing

chirs

TanSL
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Mar 11, 2003, 2:18 PM

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Hi,

I'm amazed. I've never seen anything like this over here around KL.

Anyway, my comments on local Koi are posted under "Koi Appreciation: Most definitely expensive".

Cheers

koifun
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Mar 11, 2003, 2:26 PM

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Just a little curious why u bought this koi at this price knowing it is a local koi? Many ppl believe local koi doesn't grown up nice and for 350 u can get a reasonably good Jap koi at that side. Sly

Can u share with us your reason for defying the general perception? Sly

"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. - Euripides"

jacksuleiman
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Mar 19, 2003, 12:11 PM

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Hi guys,
I am very new in this forum and also in koi's world. I just started this hobby on Jan this year but I read a lot about this hobby. As what I can see, even if the koi is from a local breeder, sometime it can compete the Jap kois especially on colour and shape. Now I have 11 kois (range between 12 - 20 cm). 2 of them are Taiwan kois and the rest are local breeder kois. The local breeder are much more preety than the Taiwan kois (colour & shape).

chrisamos
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Mar 20, 2003, 4:22 PM

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hi koifun

it is bcos, of her mother's koi was a aka muji 90cm, it is quite hard to buy a tosai from a japanese breeder to become a 90cm jumbo, but from a "aka muji kohaku" there more higher chances to get get jumbo, from this batch breeding not much kohaku had been successful, so the prices are abit high, but u compare to japanese the prices for these pattern & quality it will cost u a bomb Pirate

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happy koiing

chris

koifun
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Mar 20, 2003, 4:42 PM

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Hi, Chris

I see ur point.

So Aka muji kohaku if bred locally still have the potential to fetch high premium. How far away is your aka muji closer to the look of its parent ? Possible to look almost alike?

Sly

"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. - Euripides"

scorpio168
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Mar 21, 2003, 10:21 AM

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Hi,

icic...Nippion has the best jumbo aka muji...

That's why your kohaku is jumbo breed...

Cheers...
Koi Koi Koi...

patrick123
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Mar 22, 2003, 11:38 PM

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I have to concur. If you are looking for jumbo aka muji, Nippon is the place to go. The mother (or in some cases, the grandmother) was a grand champion aka muji in Japan (90cm).

When I went there, some of the babies where already packed in plastic bag ready to go. The size of these were generally 25cm and the price was between S$200-400 depending on size. I was told that they were only 6 months. These were actually selected from the whole lot and guranteed to be jumbo. The guy actually show me the comparison between these and their smaller brother of the same age. The small bothers where selling at 3 for $10 and their size were only 10cm as compare to 25cm.

As for jumbo kohaku, I didn't know they actually breed the aka muji with kohaku in Nippon to produce jumbo kohaku. Will check it out.

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