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o3layla
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Oct 26, 2002, 1:53 PM

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a guy had this posted in an auction as a komonryu, it is doitsu , so it is not metallic,but i would think it is a doitsu version of kikokuryu ,even though it s not metallic because of it being doitsu . what do you think , could i be wrong on this

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KevKoi
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Oct 27, 2002, 5:28 AM

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Re: [o3layla] komonryu or kikokuryu [In reply to]	Can't Post

Classing Komonryu. Komonryus are doitsu fish with white base and black patterns that ever change. Kikokouryu is just a metalic komonryu, to which this fish is not metalic.... so is a komonryu. Nice fish though..

Eric Lim
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Oct 28, 2002, 8:47 PM

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Re: [KevKoi] komonryu or kikokuryu [In reply to]	Can't Post

Hi! O3layla (what a name Crazy

),

I think it is a Yoitjiro (leather carp) - meaning 4 white. Wink

Karasugoi - means black crow. All black, bottom of chest can be orange or white. Orange more preferred by the Japanese judges.

Hajiro - all black, except for the pectoral fins = white edges with motoguro.

Hageshiro - all black with white on head & white edges on pectoral fins.

Yoitjiro - 4 whites; on face, pectoral, caudal & dosal fins.

Matsukawa-bake - a black/white koi that can reverse/ interchange its colors during summer & winter seasons.

Sumi-nagashi - a greyish koi with sumi netting.

Kumonryu - must be a leather carp. A black/white koi with wavy sumi resembling Nine Dragons.

Kikokuryu - a newly introduced new variety = as above in pattern, but with metallic sheen as with Hikarimono type.
Also comes not only in black/white - also bronze, brass, reddish bronze, greenish bronze.etc. Tongue

* pls note; these varieties are very prone to changes especially fr. Japan's cool water to our tropical water.
Many a times, a beautifully patterned Kumonryu becomes a black koi after few months of tropical temp. Unsure

Take my advise - buy only after the koi has been in tropical water a few months.
I should know - out of my seven koi tried - only one is left. All I gave away as karasugoi with few white patches. Frown

Dealers are going to hate me for this!!! Pirate

Rdgs,
Eric Lim

(This post was edited by Eric Lim on Oct 28, 2002, 8:50 PM)

chong
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Oct 29, 2002, 2:39 PM

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Hi Eric ,

Is it common for a baby kumonryu to have some shiny scales along its back ? This really spoil the beauty of the fish .
I am placing a bet on a kumonryu . Hope it won't turn into a crow .

Regards

:)]

Eric Lim
Koi Lover

Oct 29, 2002, 8:52 PM

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Hi! Chong,

For small koi of 15 cm & below - its quite normal to have some redundant shining scales.
As the koi grows - usually it disappears. But sometimes, it follows the growth.

Not much of a problem. Laugh

Usually, I tranquilizer the koi & pull off the unwanted scales using a tweeter.
Just don't be cruel & pull too many. Crazy

At times, if the scale grows back, just do two more operations. If by then still have (usually 1 mth time per op.) - too bad. Forget about it.
I find doitsu type of scale especially on the lateral line = easy to remove & will not comes back.
Those on the shoulder are more stubbon. Tongue

Also there are cases where u removed a shining scale on the dorsal roll & hope that a normal scale grows back = well it does. Happens to me few times.

*Tips - don't try on Shusui dorsal roll coz it is indispensible to have an un-broken roll of scaling. Better to see a few shining dark blue scales then a white scale causing a break. Pirate

Same for ex. Kin/gin Matsuba Ogon doitsu mirror, Kujaku doitsu, etc.... Single color no problem. Usually base color will comes back.

Hope u r not a animal right hobbyist.....if so, just ignore my blah...blah....

Rdgs,
Eric Lim

(This post was edited by Eric Lim on Oct 29, 2002, 9:02 PM)

o3layla
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Nov 2, 2002, 1:00 PM

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Re: [Eric Lim] komonryu or kikokuryu [In reply to]	Can't Post

actually it was my wifes screen name, then it was used for ebay auctions ,and since i deal mostly with guitars , people thought it was because of the eric clapton song , and i just got stuck with it as all my feedback for ebay is under that name , if i change it i lose my feedback,i could change it and have the feedback transfered , but then thay give you shades , which looks shady Tongue

and its just easier to keep the same name for everything , , thanks for all the info , i can see where it may take me awhile to get all these types down Smile

(This post was edited by o3layla on Nov 2, 2002, 1:03 PM)

o3layla
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Nov 2, 2002, 1:15 PM

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Re: [Eric Lim] komonryu or kikokuryu [In reply to]	Can't Post

don t know about the tropical water thing , it s snowed here already , yesterday in fact , didn t last long , but it actually accumulated some,I HATE THE WINTER i gotta get out of here, oh sorry Crazy

seriously , people can match ocean water ect , wonder how you would go about finding the overall makeup of tropical water , mineral wise ect ,or any other area for that matter

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