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gill11
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Nov 29, 2003, 9:56 PM

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Hey peeps, I am just in need of a little advice, hope someone can be of assistance:) I am currently raising my first spawn of fry's. They are about three weeks old at present. The thing is that for the last two weeks ive been waking up every morning only to find between 2 and 30 dead fry's. I estimate that i started with about 1500 newborn fry's......now im left with about half of that!:( I believe that ive read just about every piece of info on the web about Koi Fry and I really couldnt find that much. I have purchased quite a lot of equipment including water test kits for ammonia, nitrites, PH, salt etc. I have been feeding them a variety of foods including BBS, Fry liquid, fish food residue and the like but i simply cant pinpoint the cause of the die off.... I thought about natural selection but it just doesnt seem natural to have such spontaneous deaths, with 10 dying some days and 30-40 other days. I have managed to keep the ammonia levels along with other mentioned levels under control but the die off just doesnt corresponed with the water quality....??.. Im left thinking that im not feeding them the right amount...?? Maybe im not feeding them enough or maybe it is just nature..?? I have the fry's in two different containers made of plastic. They are about 100 litres each. I am really just hoping that some guru Koi Breeder can give me an opinion on what the think is my problem or if there is a problem..?? Well i suspect that there is a problem so any ideas would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!:) Gill11


BranMuffin
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Nov 30, 2003, 1:50 AM

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Several possible issues and as I go through my thinkin process, I will type them down.

Even though they are Fry's, they still need plenty of oxygen ... but not directed directly at them! A cheap aerator and a very fine aerating stone at the very corner of the tank will do. Fry's are very fragile and even harsh bubbles can kill them in an instant.

The tank needs some kind of a filtration system to process the water because water goes bad (stale) after a few days, even if you don't see anything in your test kits. The problem with filtration is keeping the tiny frys from getting sucked into the filter. A fine mesh netting surrounding the inlet will help. The trick is keeping them away from the suction area.

Before you replace with Fresh Water, be absolutely sure to remove Chlorine, Chloramines and Ammonia by using a Dichlorinator. Then try to even out the water temperature to the nearest 3 degress. Replace only 10% of the water and do it S-L-O-W-L-Y, don't just dump it in there.

Fry's are very succeptible to diseases and even the smallest amount of bacteria will kill them. Some people will put Methelyne blue in the water to try and control the bacteria. Anything stronger may kill them.

Fry's are very sensitve to sudden temperature and water parameter changes. Even the slightest change in temperature will kill off the weak ones ... and there are several of them. Ph may fluctuate during day and night and this will have a major affect on them.

There are fry's called Tobis (sp). These are fish that grow very fast (Magois, Chagois, Ogons and other plain colored koi), that will attack and kill smaller and weaker fry's. That's one of the reasons why professional breeders cull their fry's every couple of weeks ... one of them is to separate the Tobis. They used several sizes of screens with their nets using a slightly larger screen to trap the tobis and put them in another holding area.

Finally, there's nature which will kill off several of them without any known reason. A large koi can have as many as 250,000 eggs. If nature didn't try and control them ... that's one heck of a population! Think of several koi spawing in the rivers at one time ... if this didn't happen, it would become over populated pronto!

Hope this helps some

Best Regards
Bran

A Koi Pond is never FINISHED, it's always subject to improvement.
Drives the Spouse Crazy!

(This post was edited by BranMuffin on Nov 30, 2003, 1:54 AM)


gill11
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Nov 30, 2003, 12:28 PM

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Thanks for your detailed reply Bran,

I think maybe the temperature and PH changes could be responsible....or at least is a good explanation as we have been having hot days and cooler nights and the temp has been changing up to 8 degrees in a 24 hr period. As for the air stones I have had them in there since day one so there should be plenty of oxygen and I have been making water changes with bore water which is pretty clean as far as i know so it just really leaves me with the temperatures, PH, filtering and of course our friend mother nature....Well thanks for your reply Bran, a great help:) Gill
If you love them they will grow....I think:)

 
 
 



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