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IS THERE TYPES OF COLOR CHANGE IN FRY

 






 


2yearsinkoi
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Jun 16, 2006, 5:36 AM

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I QUESS IAM TRYING TO FIND OUT COLOR CHANGES ....IS THE PATERNS PEOPLE USE FOR FRY? IS THERE TYPES OF COLOR CHANGE IN FRY? FOR EXAMPLE A 2 INCH BABY KOI THAT IS WHITE NOW, CAN IT CHANGE TO ALL ORANGE,OR IS IT GARENTEED TO CHANGE A DIFF COLOR. THANKS TO ALL


utsuri
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Jun 16, 2006, 10:39 AM

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By 2 inches most breeders have a pretty good idea of what is going on. But the example you use has happened to some extent.
The way the fry are choosen depends on the history of the line. By years of study the breeder knows what to look for at certain ages. Steps like these start right from the begining. example: In showa the fry are culled through in the first few days. The yellow ones are discarded and the black fry are kept.

How the culling takes place, really depends on the variety being culled.


larz1
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Jun 19, 2006, 8:48 PM

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Utsuri is correct about the breeders culling process, but for ponders like us who usually experience flock spawing from koi we have little history on it is more difficult.
When culling from known parents from known grandparents (as is the case with professionals) you are culling for type and discarding those that do not fit.
When culling from an unknown parent lineage you are culling somewhat it the dark as to expectations. Darker fry will tend to be utsuri types as they mature, Orange/reddish types will tend to be Kohaku or yamabuki, but plain white ones can really fool you sometimes. Two examples from our spawnings last year are good cases in point.
We culled very little to see how they would develop and learn from them. One shiro muji with no sign of color at all at 3" began to slowly develop a maruten kohaku pattern over time and is still progressing in that direction. Another was plain, dull, white and then grew a pencil thin black stripe down the middle of the dorsal line at around 4". That thin black line has slowly grown lighter and wider and appears to be developing into the beginnings of a pale blue/grey Asagi net pattern. Needless to say, neither of those was predictable and we are still learning from them.


utsuri
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Jun 20, 2006, 12:24 AM

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It all boils down to bloodline. In a contolled situation of course. If we don't know the bloodline, then we have to take a wait and see approach. That requires a great amount of patience.
When your koi flock spawn, take note of what varieties are the most involved and where those eggs were laid. Then look for what you want. If the female is Kohaku with showa and sanke males, you can help speed the culling process by knowing this.

From this breeding you will see several types of koi. Most will be pond mutts. However there will be a few nice looking koi in the mix. If you would like to keep a Kohaku baby, cull all the black fry and keep the yellow. That will atleast lower the numbers you have while you are waiting for a few interesting patterns to show up.

If you are trying to raise fry for the fun of it, Then take out about 100 eggs. Try to count them. What looks like a hundred may actualy be twice that. Once the fry are a few weeks old then net out 10 or so and see what happens as they age.

 
 
 



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