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SPAWNING IN PROCESS. NEED HELP !!!

luckyl
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Feb 13, 2006, 11:24 AM

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Dear all,

My 63 cm shiro is now in a spawning process with 2 male sanke 50 cm. The ritual of chasing and pressing has been beginning since early morning around 4 am and until now (10 am) she hasn’t spawn yet. The belly is still big and round. The only different I can see is a development of a kind of 1 cm round brown meat at her “thing”. Don’t know if it’s the organ or a hardened eggs. Do you know what thing it is ? Actually how long does it take to have her spawn ?

Many thanks in advance.

Luckyl

luckyl
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Feb 13, 2006, 3:41 PM

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It's 2 pm now and not yet laying eggs. The "Meat" is emerging bigger now, as big as a tumb. Look scary to me, but someone told me its OK. Males still chasing and pushing her. Just change 20% of water as the water smells odour. I'm worried about the amonia level cost it's been 5 mg/l.

luckyl
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Feb 14, 2006, 10:00 AM

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Yesterday afternoon I saw her staying at the corner, looks very exhausted. The males too. One local breeder told me that she can not getting out the eggs as the “fat/meat” seems to block the way out. Last night I move back all the males to the pond, left her alone to get rest. I got no idea how to deal with her condition now. I’m worried whether the fat/meat will also block the other organ systems such as the waste or the urine. Don’t know how to get rid this fat/meat. This morning it look more pale than yesterday which is dark red/brownish. Did anybody experience this kind of thing before ?

Cheers,

GCSpyder
Koi Addict

Feb 14, 2006, 10:06 AM

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Hi luckyl,

I really hope you can get some good answer soon. I don't have experience in spawning koi so I cannot really help. Some breeder (Oomosako) said his first parent pair would sometimes take 2 months before it finally spawn. Don't know whether that is the case here. Maybe, giving her some time to rest, like what you are doing is a good idea.

Probably need to maintain some salt too incase of infection from bruises and nitrite. All the best.

cheers..

luckyl
Koi Lover

Feb 14, 2006, 4:06 PM

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Hi GCSpyder,
Its really a very stressful experience to me. After watching the raising of amonia level in the spawning tank, I decided to move back the female to my main pond. Do it so carefully that I couldn't dare to touch the fat/meat. Several minutes afterward, I watch parts of the fat/meat broke down. Eager to know, I need them up and guess what ??? It's not the meat/fat, it the mixtures of EGGS, FAT, and BLOOD BOND together. Maybe that's exactly what my local breeder told me. My Shiro is too fat to spawn, too fat that her eggs are bond together with her fat. I should have vast her for 2 weeks at least. And he told me that I should really look for some very HORNY MALE that the whole body was really rough to help her spawn. I was also told to be watch out tonight as there maybe another spawning in my main pond due to the unfinished spawning. I should watch out tonight then.

Cheers,

fish&horsesrme
Koi Lover

Mar 23, 2006, 1:47 AM

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So what happened? its been over a month... whats the update???

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8000 gallon pond

smallish fish
1 platinum doitsu female, 2 kohaku, 1 Hikarimono,
1 Butterfly Bekko, 1 aka bekko, 1 aka matsuba, , 1 Karasugoi, 1 matsuba patterned, but kohaku, 9 hand raised babies (seperate pond)

biguns: over 20"
1 ki matsuba1 sanke female, 1 showa male, 1 goshiki male, 1 kujaku female, 1 sheild tancho kohaku male, 1 yamatonishiki male, 1 kumonryu female, 1 platinum ogon male,

luckyl
Koi Lover

Mar 23, 2006, 3:56 PM

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Well.....She died after 2 days...I open up her belly, full of eggs. Leaving me with 80 babies to be taken care of.... How sad !!

girlkoi
Koi Lover

Mar 28, 2006, 3:20 PM

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HI,luckyl

That is so sad,I can cry Frown

Best Wishes.....Shanna Smile

tigerjh
Koi Lover

Mar 29, 2006, 8:39 AM

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so sorry to hear about your loss Frown

i bet you the baby koi are nice Smile

got any pics of the baby koi Wink

Mr.Jonathan
i love Yamabuki
and one happy 13 year old koi lover

girlkoi
Koi Lover

Mar 29, 2006, 1:07 PM

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Luckyl,

At least you have new frys! Wink

Best Wishes.....Shanna Smile

luckyl
Koi Lover

Mar 29, 2006, 9:22 PM

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Hi Shanna,
Haven't take pictures for the baby. Had been culling into 40 babies left as the rest do not like koi at all Smile

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Here are some pictures of their late mom.

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luckyl
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Mar 29, 2006, 9:29 PM

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And The Dead

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tigerjh
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Mar 30, 2006, 12:40 AM

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got any baby koi pics. Smile

tat was the sadest koi breeding thing i have heard so sorry about your loss

Mr.Jonathan
i love Yamabuki
and one happy 13 year old koi lover

girlkoi
Koi Lover

Mar 30, 2006, 9:22 AM

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freaky, luckyl

Best Wishes.....Shanna Smile

arcinfol
Koi Lover

Mar 30, 2006, 10:35 AM

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luckyl

What you gone through was tough Frown

At least you learned something new.

KOI LOVER, FRANCO

s_clan
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Mar 30, 2006, 10:56 AM

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luckyl...

I was pondering about one thing.....Couldn't you technically still fertilize the eggs in the dead Shiro Utsuri?
Manually I mean....extract he eggs and squirt milt on them...I may be wrong, that's why I'm pondering..... Crazy

With regards, Jarvis

I LOVE THE COLOUR ORANGE
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1 Kohaku (male)
1 Doitsu Kohaku (female)
1 Taisho Sanke (male)
1 Asagi
1 Kujaku
1 Sakura Ogon
1 Tancho Sanke
1 Karasugoi
1 Ki Matsuba
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zoul
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May 2, 2006, 12:08 AM

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dear lucky
sorry about your loss.
I'm wondering where the other fry come from as the female died?
See this is why you need a good diet and a deep pond stops them getting to fat. oh yes and it's called a vent the fish bum. i'm thinking the egg bound thingy maybe you female died of internal damage trying to force out her eggs. Please don't try the manual thingy it's a bad idea

s_clan
Koi Addict

May 3, 2006, 11:14 AM

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zoul....

To your information.....the female passed during the process of the spawn....a few eggs are layed and fertilized before it passed...

With regards, Jarvis

I LOVE THE COLOUR ORANGE
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1 Kohaku (male)
1 Doitsu Kohaku (female)
1 Taisho Sanke (male)
1 Asagi
1 Kujaku
1 Sakura Ogon
1 Tancho Sanke
1 Karasugoi
1 Ki Matsuba
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