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Barb
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Apr 18, 2003, 9:13 AM

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Hello all,

I have read several posts on what a mess is left after spawning. Not being a "breeder" of Koi and just wanting to enjoy their beauty what do you do after a spawning season?

This will be our first full summer with our new Koi pond. I am sure we have some that will be mature enough to breed. I had planned on adding they hyacinth in the pond which I understand the eggs would attach to.

If just leaving the pond "undisturbed" during spawning time what should I expect as an end result as far as the water quality and any eggs hatching and surviving?

I know that the other Koi couldn't possibly eat ALL the young fry but I wondered if any would survive at all without the special "fry food" I have been reading about on the list such as brine shrimp etc..

Any advice greatly appreciated.

BARB


micky
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Apr 25, 2003, 9:05 AM

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Hi Bard
I had some (novice) experiences with koi spawning/breeding.

The answers to your questions really depend on your pond environment and what you want to achieve. For a small pond, its best that you intervene by changing 50% water immediately after the spawning, 30% next day & 10% until the fishy smell and water condition return to normal. You do not need o feed the kois during this period - watch their bloted stomach, a result of feasting on the eggs! You may need to add some bio powder to boost the bacteria in the filter.

If left on its own, some eggs may hatch and a few fries may survive, but depending on your stocking, the other adult kois in the pond may gobble up all the eggs within 24-36 hrs.

If you are setting up for koi breeding, consider moving the pregnant female and 2 males to a separate FG tank to breed. The Koi Encyclopedia published by Interpet gives a good account of what need to be done.

Otherwise, move the surviving fries to a small tub, put airstones, change water daily, apply a little anti-fungal solution & feed newly hatched brine shrimp or grinded koi pallets will do, be prepared to set aside time to tend to these little beauties. Hope this is useful. Goodluck!
Regards, Micky

(This post was edited by micky on Apr 25, 2003, 9:11 AM)


BranMuffin
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May 3, 2003, 7:03 AM

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Water Hyacints is not a good spawning medium. It will create a mess! A very BIG mess as it dies and begins to rot, and the roots will clog up your filter. What you need is some branches of a tree or a plant (non toxic) that has long leaves. Or leave the long string algae (if you have it) in tack! (LOL!)

When it's time to breed, the male hormone takes over and chases any females that has eggs and the graphic violence begins. The males slaps the female around into the rocks, plants, what have you, forcing the eggs out. How would you like it if your husband knocks you around? You'd probably turn around and slug him! This is rough on the female and a very exhausting experience, and some females die from this.

Once the eggs are out, then the males fertilize the eggs. Not all of the eggs get fertilized, only about 1/2. Incidently, a female koi can lay up to 250,000 eggs, so that's a lot of eggs! The eggs are sticky so they stick to the sides of the pond and any other medium there might be. i.e. Plants, Rocks, Algae etc.

Of course this starts a feeding frenzy with all the rest of the fish and unless you pull some of the eggs out, 2/3 of whats left over will be eaten in no time. The rest will get gobbled up eventually except for the ones that get trapped in areas too small for a fish to go into. Some just gets hidden under the string of algae. This is why professional breeders use a fake medium and a separate breeding tank for breeding koi. To insure that they get most of the eggs out.

Additionally, they can be selective as to what they want to breed. i.e. Kohakus, Sankes, Showas, Ogons ..etc and they generally select ONE female and 2 or 3 males to do this with. The koi come from good stock (parents) but are not what we consider Show Quality. In fact some of them are downright ugly when it comes to patterns, but have excellent color quality. That's all that's necessary. No need to breed Show Quality fish.

Now, where was I? Within a week or two the fertilized eggs will hatch and the tiny little fishes come out. FREEDOM AT LAST! Oh Yea? Not with the other fish around who are searching for food! Most of these little suckers are born with a defensive mechanism which is to hide within the medium they were hatched from. They will TRY and hide within this medium eating microscopic food that are floating around. (Breeders feed them something called "Daphnia" which they raise prior to breeding).

The ones that wonder outside this medium sometimes become "Fish Food" and some of them get sucked up into the pump and into the filtering media and lost.

But the curious thing about koi is that once these little guys get to be about 1/2 to 1" long, the larger koi just leave them alone. It's like they've suddenly discovered that it's one of them.

Even though they're left along they still try and hide, and sometimes ... a nice dark pipe chamber is the best place ... OOOPs, it's the entrance to the drain! "PUMP FOOD!" More fry's lost!

If you're lucky, you'll wind up with a few new fish in your pond when it's all over. Another year and the cycle, starts over again.

Oh BTW: If you used a fake hatching medium, you can take it out 2 weeks after the eggs were laid and before the medium begins to die off and rot. Yes, the little guys/gals hiding in the medium will become exposed. They just have to find other places to hide ... the law of the Jungle!

If you took some of the eggs out to hatch in another area (best to use the same pond water to start with, same environment) they can be fed with the yoke of a boiled egg. But only a little at a time because this will easily deteriorate and rot. Don't want that to happen.

I forgot what the question was? (LOL!) I think it had to do something with spawning, and here I am just rambling away.

Best Regards
Bran

A Koi Pond is never FINISHED, it's always subject to improvement.
Drives the Spouse Crazy!

(This post was edited by BranMuffin on May 3, 2003, 7:33 AM)


newgen
Koi Lover


May 4, 2003, 12:34 AM

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Very detail!
thanks!

Cheers!
John


likdaor
Koi Lover

Aug 23, 2003, 11:57 AM

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Bran just wanted to say love your Posts ! having had our koi spawn 3 times this summer you learn new things. And everytime we all learn something new from you. thanks .Likdaor

And your right a pond is NEver done! lol

 
 
 



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