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Haji Jamall
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Apr 13, 2005, 6:11 PM

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Hi members,
Its been quite a while since i post some thread regarding my pond with green water. Advises from our dttk,hwang,kevkoi and some others effectively help me to achieve clear & good water parameter. my pond was pump-fed system then. however,8 months ago i converted it to gravity system using syphon teknic. i didnt recontruct the pond for fear of leakage instead i dugged a filter chamber by the side ofthe pond.5 chambers in all.1st chamber..mechanical chamber consists of calourful domestic brushes..(harga banyak murah) here is where 2-in pipe suck in water by syphon system.. 2nd...green mate 3rd also green mate...4th coral chips & bio balls....5th the pump.water since then very much clearer than before. here are some of the photos of my converted pond.

unable to upload photos cos exceeded 97.7kb. how then can i upload those pictures for members to see & comment

hinz101
Member

Apr 13, 2005, 9:56 PM

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Hello Haji

Just resize the pictures using a photo editing software. If you dont have the software other members of this forum will help you post the picture by sending it to their email and they post the pictures for you.

Hindley

HWONG
Koi Addict

Apr 13, 2005, 11:04 PM

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Hi HAji, Congratulations on a great idea. My cousin's husband is also using the siphon technique to draw water from pond to filter. He was afraid of pipe leakage if he used bottom drain. The sytem worked well in his current FT set up. So it seems it works for you in a pond set up. See how fast one can learn when he is koi crazy.

dttk
Senior Member

Apr 14, 2005, 9:24 AM

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Jamal, glad to know that your pond water has cleared up after some modifications. You could send me (dttk@streamyx.com) the picture files and I'll resize and post them for you. We're all looking forward to seeing the pictures. Smile

Always friendly :)

dttk
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Apr 14, 2005, 3:09 PM

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Jamal, here are the pictures. Smile

Always friendly :)

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dttk
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Apr 14, 2005, 3:11 PM

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Can only post 2 pictures at a time. Smile

Always friendly :)

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dttk
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Apr 14, 2005, 3:14 PM

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The water is indeed clearer. Looks like your new filter is doing a great job. Well done. Smile

Always friendly :)

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Haji Jamall
Koi Lover

Apr 14, 2005, 3:43 PM

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Dr.Tan,thank you for assistance.

JoesKoi
Koi Lover

Apr 14, 2005, 7:16 PM

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Hello Haji

I must say the water is crystal clear can you maybe show
us a drawing how it looks ?

Haji Jamall
Koi Lover

Apr 14, 2005, 10:32 PM

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o.k.i'll try to make a sketch of the filter chamber and how it works. However i'm not good at drawing but i'll give a try. i just came back from mosque ,so i'll try to post to this forum by tomorrow .anyway,thank you for your appreciation.good night.

Haji Jamall

hinz101
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Apr 15, 2005, 3:29 AM

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Hi Haji

Great looking pond with very crystal clear water. I like your bekko how big is it already? id like to have one of those someday.

Hindley

Haji Jamall
Koi Lover

Apr 15, 2005, 3:22 PM

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Hi JoesKoi, here are sketches of the filter chamber;
1. Top View drawing
2. Side View "

Some explanations on Top View:All chambers are connected by underground pipe. main purpose is for cleaning of debris by means of a pump.There is no discharge chamber.

Side View: water from pond is suck in by a pair of 2" pvc (siphon techn.)to chamber 1.
and flows over to chamber 2. From chamber 2 water then flows under to chamber
3 and passes through 5 layers greenmate arranged vertically down before going
over to chamber 4 where bio balls & coral chips are. Water in chamber 4 finally
flows through underground pipe to chamber 5 and where the pump is connected to
waterfall.

Hopefully you can faham my poor technical drawing as well as my poor explanations Blush

pls.don't laugh o.k. Frown

sincerely
HJ.Jamall

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Drawing of Filter Box Top View.jpg (81.9 KB)

Drawing of Filter Box Side view.jpg (83.8 KB)

JoesKoi
Koi Lover

Apr 15, 2005, 3:39 PM

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Hi Haji

Thank you very much for the drawings they are perfect
and have all the info i wanted to see.Just one question
did you silicone the glass into the walls ?

Thanks once again for your help

Keep Well

mike c
Koi Kichi

Apr 15, 2005, 3:43 PM

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what size pump are you running? its good that the two 2" pipes can keep up.

also, what happens during a power failure?

how did you start up the siphon?

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If you know how it works, you'll know how to fix it

kelabukoi
Koi Lover

Apr 15, 2005, 4:29 PM

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Askm, tuan Hj

I'm also interested in all this syphoning issue. Its something new to me...... as far as a pond is concerned la Sly

. Just very curious so that i can add another filter without drilling a hole through the pond.

Cheers

Halim
Knowledge is Money!!!
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(This post was edited by kelabukoi on Apr 15, 2005, 4:38 PM)

Haji Jamall
Koi Lover

Apr 15, 2005, 5:04 PM

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Hi JoesKoi,
the answer is no. i just slide in the glass partition into the groove already there . groove were moulded into place when cement wall was still wet. the box has an RC.before cement was pured in. wooden frame were erected to form the final shape of the chamber.these wooden frame were lowered down into rectangular hole that i dug myself. see pixs. "Kayu inchi" what they call it ,were nailed to wooden frame so that when cement was poured in ,grooves were formed. when cement dried i hacked out the kayu inchi leaving groove that glass can be slide down. hope you can picture how its done

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JoesKoi
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Apr 15, 2005, 5:33 PM

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Ok Thanks i see how you did it i am thinking of making
mine like this using the bottom drain .will it work?

Thanks once again

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Haji Jamall
Koi Lover

Apr 15, 2005, 5:48 PM

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Hi aragorn,
sorry i can't remember pump size but i do remember the cost.its almost 400RM.Made of stainless steel. talk about power failure, if too long most likely all my fish will die,becos i don't have battery powered pump to suppliment it.so far i'm still lucky that power failure do happen but for a short while only. To start the siphon its very simple. i just dip the pvc into pond & let water fill up to both end .Then before i lift pipe out of water i use my palm to block both end of it. After that i lower at one end into chamber 1 while the other into pond.Next i just remove my palm at the same time from the pipe end. Thats it. Wink

water just flow in.to stop it just raise one end above water level.

Hj Jamall

mike c
Koi Kichi

Apr 15, 2005, 6:12 PM

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thats ok, thanks a lot for the info

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Haji Jamall
Koi Lover

Apr 15, 2005, 6:15 PM

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I thought bottom pipe is only the natural way for water to flow into filter box by pull of gravity. And you don't need to use siphon system. Oooiii......the rest of forum members correct me if i'm wrong.tolong.!.tolong..!.. Shocked

dttk
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Apr 16, 2005, 10:18 AM

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Jamal, I could see that you're getting alot of feedback regarding your new system Wink

. You're answering well my friend, don't worry Sly

. Yes, you're right. If JoesKoi is building a new pond, he could incorporate the bottom drain directly to the 1st chamber of a similar filter like yours. There's no need for a siphoning pipe. Have a good weekend. Smile

Always friendly :)

Haji Jamall
Koi Lover

Apr 16, 2005, 3:40 PM

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Hi hinz101,
i'm sorry for late reply. first of all,don't laugh at me o.k.! Blush

i don't know much about various name of kois. when you first about my bekko i was struck dump. nak tanya you balik ,malu.nanti orang kata dah lama bela koi ,nama pun tak tau.So,before i make this reply i dah refer koi book which my daughter sent from U.S.This book is my birthday present (3 years ago).You can see book cover in attachment.

o.k.! now i know nak jawab.....about 3 years ago when i first bought its only 2 inches.Now its has grown to about 13 to 14 inches.Mind you its only local breed not an import one.

Hj Jamall

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hinz101
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Apr 16, 2005, 9:42 PM

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Hello Haji Even though if its just locally bread koi i really like it it has good body comfirmation and nice pattern. thanks for sharing. Hindley

Haji Jamall
Koi Lover

Apr 16, 2005, 10:52 PM

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Wa'alai k salam,
I think you don't need the system because with extra flow of water to your filter chamber ,your pump will not be able cope up & may even cause an overflow of your filter chamber. Unless you have a pump that can efficiently drive water back to pond. Hope i'm answering you correctly.

Hj.Jamall

kelabukoi
Koi Lover

Apr 18, 2005, 1:31 PM

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Tuan Haji,

Just to confirm whether we are talking about the same syphon. In your case the pond water level should be a little bit higher that the water level in the filter chambers. A pump with suitable flow rate will ensure that sufficient water is pumped out of the filter chambers so that the level therein will remain a little bit lower than the level in the pond. The correct pump with the correct flow rate is crucial here.

The reason i'm interested in this system is that i think eventually i will have to add another filter to my pond apart from the submerged media filter and the trickle tower I'm having now. Both the filters are supplied with water from the two 2" bottom drains in the pond. This was suggested to me by sifu Dttk. He saved me from buying another pump unnecessarily.Thanks Dttk.

I may have to use this syphon system for my third filter. Just to ensure that the water is always in pristine condition and i may feed my fish 1 or 2 times more than usual. Feeding time is the best time. Don't you agree Tuan Haji? I may also add one or two more kois.

Regards

Halim
Knowledge is Money!!!
www.onlinebusinesshouse.com

(This post was edited by kelabukoi on Apr 18, 2005, 1:34 PM)

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