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tangigi3
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Mar 20, 2006, 1:36 PM

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koifun
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Mar 20, 2006, 2:16 PM

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FANTASTIC VIEW !! Laugh

"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. - Euripides"

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Koi38
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Mar 20, 2006, 2:46 PM

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Hi Lar,

Is that water in there or just glass Tongue

Man that's awesome Shocked

I've noticed you don't have surface skimmer, you not in Manila, aren't you Tongue

How many tons and how deep???

Any shots of your filter area and koi perhaps Wink

Benny,

You've been away for a long time and that's all you can say Laugh

Nice to hear from you gain my friend Smile

rgds,
Jon

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(This post was edited by Koi38 on Mar 20, 2006, 2:49 PM)

s_clan
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Mar 20, 2006, 3:19 PM

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Lar...

A very nice and formal looking pond where you can view from inside and outside..... very smart

With regards, Jarvis

I LOVE THE COLOUR ORANGE
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1 Kohaku (male)
1 Doitsu Kohaku (female)
1 Taisho Sanke (male)
1 Asagi
1 Kujaku
1 Sakura Ogon
1 Tancho Sanke
1 Karasugoi
1 Ki Matsuba
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mikoi
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Mar 20, 2006, 3:22 PM

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AWESOME!!! its even covered so you dont need to
worry about the acid rain here in manila.

he's got a chair and a sidetable, and maybe
a cold drink and he is all set.

Koi38
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Mar 20, 2006, 3:26 PM

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AWESOME!!! its even covered so you dont need to
worry about the acid rain here in manila.

he's got a chair and a sidetable, and maybe
a cold drink and he is all set.

Mikoi,

I think it's for one person viewing only Unsure

Noticed one chair and small table Laugh

No San Mig fridge Pirate

rgds,
Jon

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tangigi3
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Mar 20, 2006, 3:30 PM

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Hi Jon,

Still trying to get the right angle to get rid of the reflection. it looks bigger than it looks bec I am using a wide angle lens. Its a 7,200 gallon pond 4 feet deep. the skimmer is on the middle right side. you can't really see it well.

yup, I am in manila. if you notice architectural design was the priority here. The back part where you see the wooden planks are the 3 chamber filter.

will post pic of filter chamber tomorrow

I am just starting out so am practicing on some tester kois to see if my system can handle the load.

if you notice the big one piece glass.... thats the kitchen nook where I have breakfast. I wanted a view while eating

Lar

tangigi3
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Mar 20, 2006, 3:34 PM

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That is the right side of the lanai, the other side is the party area. Ahhhh...I have to buy one more chair. actually, I did not plan on the chair and table, you can sit on the edge of the pond.
Lar

mikoi
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Mar 20, 2006, 3:37 PM

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I think its RSVP and bring your own chair and your own ice cold san mig..
hehehehe....

Koi38

I do need your advice thou. I want to rebuild my pond. I currently have a
1500 gallon pond. 28 inches deep only.

I want to build a 5000 gallon and I should do 6 feet deep.. BUT, what
if I dont want to do a 6 feet deep pond, what would you recommend I
should go for?

my biggest problem is the limited amount of land in my property to
build a bigger pond.

this is going to be my 3rd revision and I want ti to be final.

HELP!!!

also I have heard of the momotaro bakki shower
(momotaro website) claiming that some people
just build a bottom drain, no settlement chamber or
optional settlement chamber and the pump sucks
water straight form the bottom drain to bakki shower.
eliminating the the chambers and produces clean
clear, no amonia, nitrite and nitrate..what do you think
of that set up? or should I go for the conventional system
which is mechanical, biological chambers?

help!
the bakki shower.

Koi38
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Mar 20, 2006, 6:16 PM

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Hi mikoi,

You have to know how much space you can use in your area Smile

If you can't have 6ft deep have it at least 4ft and have a good lenght. A long pond will give koi good excersice which will improve growth Cool

The pond can be 2mWide x 10mLong x 1mDeep. this should give you 20tons or around 5300gal Wink

I don't have BH/BS but I read a lot about it. I know in Momotaro their BD's goes straight to BS. Most of the pics I've from Momotaro were indoor ponds so I assume they don't have to worry about leaves or dust Wink

But if I'm going to use the BH/BS in my pond I will still pump the water from a settlement chamber. Also for the BH/BS to work properly you'll need 10kg per ton and water turn over should be something around 5x per hour, daily 10% water change. So you have to consider the cost of BH($320AUSD/10kg), electricity, water bill if you are only planing to use BH/BS as your only filter only. Coventional filter are cheap but you'll need space to have a good filter surface area not like BH/BS, you only need a small area for the shower Smile

Good luck man Wink

mikoi
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Mar 20, 2006, 6:27 PM

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HI Jon,
Thanks for the reply. I didnt know that the turnover rate for the
bakki shower was 5x in an hour. yes, thats a lot of electricity
right there and not to mention 10% water change daily.

I think Im back to the conventional gravity fed filter.

Im not sure yet with the measurement. but I think I can go with
4 feet deep. 2 meters wide and 5 meters long.

Will keep you updated.

thanks
mikoi

Koi38
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Mar 21, 2006, 7:03 AM

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Hi Mikoi,

I just remembered that you can also use BH as wet filter, same as Momotaro. The use both shower and wet filters Smile

But you still need space for the media and need lots of O2 Wink

rgds,
Jon

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tangigi3
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Mar 21, 2006, 11:11 AM

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kois are 4 feet down, aarrrggg..... hazy water.

Koi38
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Mar 21, 2006, 11:23 AM

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Hi Lar,

Is still not bad at all mate Wink

Remember clear water doesn't mean good quality clean water Crazy

More filters and mature filters should do the job. Adding TT beside the house with return as waterfalls(not necessary) will definitely help clearing and oxidising the water Smile

rgds,
Jon

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tangigi3
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Mar 21, 2006, 11:25 AM

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my kois, a 16inch platinium ginrin, a 14 inch platinium, a 14 inch shusui (I was told it was a girl, but looks like a boy to me), 2 tester fish (the small shusui is a nemo with deformed pectorial fins). the 8inch sanke? was given to me so I dont know how to get rid of it

tangigi3
Koi Lover

Mar 21, 2006, 11:35 AM

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Jon,

my vortex, brush and filter chamber are 48 inch by 48 inch (1.21 x 1.21 meter). do you think it is undersized for a 7,200 gal tank or is my bio filter not mature yet? my 182 pieces 24 inch brush should be taking care of the algae?????? hmmm....is there a day I do not ponder about my pond? will take pic later of bio and brush and post tomorrow.

whats your take on the Hailea pumps? seems reasonably priced, but dont know how it will perform 4 feet down. I could not find any performance chart for this brand. wattage to liters seems ok if the rule is 0.8 liter/m per watt.

Lar

Koi38
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Mar 21, 2006, 12:01 PM

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Hi Lar,

My filter is same size as your filter but my pond is only a bit over 2,000g and for me its undersize Crazy

. Like they say if you think your filter is big enough double it Wink

I use to use brush as prefilter but no as biofilter due to minimal surface area. I know have jmatts only with 100L/m air pump. You need more biofilter, larger surface area is the way to go. I'm not implying that brush are no good but there are lots of media out there maybe cheaper with larger surface area for the good bacteria to colonize Smile

I have a 60L/m Hailea pump I use for my BD diffuser which is 1.8m deep. It's working well, and for the price and running cost plus you can buy replacement diaphagm, can't complain. Smile

rgds,
Jon

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tangigi3
Koi Lover

Mar 21, 2006, 12:16 PM

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Gday Jon,

I use the brush as a mechanical and the next chamber is the J mat. hmmm.... thats what happens when you follow the 1/3 rule pond to filter chamber, now I know better.

I feel the vortex is an inefficient area. I should convert it into the brush chamber and convert the brush into another J mat chamber.

cool, was at the shop earlier and was eyeing the pump, but decided to check the net first before buying. Is aerating the pond that critical?

lar

tangigi3
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Mar 22, 2006, 10:07 AM

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let me know how I can improve on the layout

does it look mature?

brush chamber, please let me know if there is a better way of laying it out

thanks lar

Koi38
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Mar 22, 2006, 10:22 AM

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Hi Lar,

Let me see, water travels from BD => SC => brush => jmatt then back to pond, am I right???

Why did you say that you SC doesn't work, too much current, too shallow Crazy

From the pics you need more air in your jmatt. Water should look like its boiling Wink

and you brush are way too low. Part of the brush should be off the water level. This will help to trap more floating waste which is normally the use of brushes Smile

A mature jmatt should look like golden brown, in your case with green jmatt, the matt should look a little dark green Cool

Sorry to ask but can you take a whole pic of filter system or maybe in order so we can see where is the flaw, specially with your SC Wink

rgds,
Jon

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tangigi3
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Mar 22, 2006, 11:13 AM

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hi jon,

thanks for your advise, will post pic tomorrow.

yes, bottom drain to vortex to brush to j mat. ok, I did not know that about the aeration.

The guy I got the dark green mat ran out so I had to get from a different source, explaining why I have 2 diff mats.

Lar

tangigi3
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Mar 22, 2006, 11:23 AM

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Jon, btw, how many liters do you need to supply your bio?

Lar

tangigi3
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Mar 22, 2006, 12:07 PM

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Sorry about that.

How many liters/min air do you ned to supply the bio filter. is there a computation I can use?

Thanks Jon

Lar

s_clan
Koi Addict

Mar 22, 2006, 2:18 PM

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tangigi3...

Your Platinum ogon is very nice!
Awesome bulky body and large pectoral fins! ++++points.... Tongue

With regards, Jarvis

I LOVE THE COLOUR ORANGE
----------------------------------------------------------
1 Kohaku (male)
1 Doitsu Kohaku (female)
1 Taisho Sanke (male)
1 Asagi
1 Kujaku
1 Sakura Ogon
1 Tancho Sanke
1 Karasugoi
1 Ki Matsuba
----------------------------------------------------------

tangigi3
Koi Lover

Mar 22, 2006, 3:16 PM

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Thanks, I like the guy too, hope both of them grow big and fat.

Lar

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