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miafunk
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Aug 5, 2007, 3:16 PM

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I am pretty experienced with salt water aquariums but i now want to venture to a koi pond. Im thinking about a 6 by 6 ft pond 3 ft deep and a watterfall maybe a foot higher. What sixe liner would i need and what other equipment would i need. I dont want the best equipment not enough $$$ but something good so please mention brands. Also would you recomend a regular filter or a pressrized filter. What is the difference?

Thank you


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miafunk
Koi Lover

Aug 5, 2007, 10:20 PM

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can someone plz help


Koi38
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Aug 9, 2007, 8:22 PM

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I am pretty experienced with salt water aquariums but i now want to venture to a koi pond. Im thinking about a 6 by 6 ft pond 3 ft deep and a watterfall maybe a foot higher. What sixe liner would i need and what other equipment would i need. I dont want the best equipment not enough $$$ but something good so please mention brands. Also would you recomend a regular filter or a pressrized filter. What is the difference?

Thank you


Mia,

First you need to check if you can get filters, liners, etc in your local. Once you know they're readily available then come back to us. And for the size of the liner you'll need 12ft x 12ft to be exact but I'll go a little bigger instead, just to give you room to move around.

6 ft + (depth x 2 = 6) = 12

rgds,
jon

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miafunk
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Aug 10, 2007, 2:19 AM

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i have alot of local shops around. If i cant find what i need around here there are alot of online stores i have been looking at. Oh while i was digging ive just been making bigger and bigger its already an 8 x8 by 4 ft deep. My biggest problem is understanding all the equipment. Such as bottom drains, and vortex, and skimmer. I know wut they do but are they all necessary?


Koi38
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Aug 10, 2007, 3:07 AM

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My biggest problem is understanding all the equipment. Such as bottom drains, and vortex, and skimmer. I know wut they do but are they all necessary?

Have a read here. You'll understand more how these things work togetherSmile




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miafunk
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Aug 10, 2007, 5:45 AM

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i read alot and i do understand their purposes let me rephrase my question.. How r the connections for example drain to.... pump to waterfall...etc ...dont think ill be putting a skimmer....just BD, filter.uv clarifier, pump. and waterfall. Would appreciate if u could give me some good brand names of pumps filter and BD's

thanx
jorge


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ayranjim
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Aug 10, 2007, 8:09 PM

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Hello, starting with plumbing and connections, what I have seen, is that many times all the plumbing and connections to one thing and another dont always fit like they should, so you need to spend time at stores opening things and connecting one pipe to another or find a creative way to connect this to that, in the end result if you can, just go buy all different size pvc elbows and such, this way you can sit at home playing with all these to see how they will fit or how to apply them to your situation, remeber that ALL ponds are different, and as such so are most connections to pumps and filters especialy if your are makeing things yourself, and often times as strange as it is, a store will sell a pump for example, but to connect to the pump, you have to find some strange way to modify this connection to a drain, as they have different size connections. so in other words unless you have someone that has experiance in all this, expect to spend money learning and buying pvc.


miafunk
Koi Lover

Aug 11, 2007, 5:53 AM

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thank u for ur help. Now what i mean is how is the connection this is what i have in mind. BD to mechanical filter than to bio filter than uv light to water fall. How does that sound? or should i switch it around some way? Also what size pump would i need to run all that in a 2500Gallon pond. with 2 3 ft tall by 8 inch wide waterfalls.


Frosty
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Aug 15, 2007, 4:04 AM

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Hi Miafunk,

My background also included successful maintenance of marine aquaria, and hopefully, the following (from a previous post here) will be of use to you:

Now to the filtration system (patent pending), which comprises a matrix of 1.5" pipe work under a bed of mixed grade coarse shingle and grit of between 4 - 6" deep. This arrives at an 'Oase' (Tm) 15000 pump (3K gallons per.hr.) via a fixed stand pipe up to the shallow area trough where the pump sits (for easy maintenance), and then up via a continuation of the stand pipe to the header pond. Operational time is 24,7,365 uninterrupted, and very low cost. Maintenance to the filter bed is absolute zero! The fish are absolute gluttons, but due to the volume of moving current from the waterfall, are all beautifully shaped due to the exercise they enjoy by swimming against the current.

I have recently completed a total re-modelling of the pond, expanding its capacity to some 2,250 gallons. I have also added another (slower babbling type) water feature at the new north end, which is fed by an 'overflow' surface skimmer to the north west of the pond perimeter. This clears the surface of ANY debris inside 20 mins! Again, due to their reliability and power, this is driven by an 'Oase' (Tm) 15000 pump, which is attached to a smaller version of the main pond filter matrix (patent pending) under a similarly graded shingle bed. We 'kick-started' the old shingle material with a proprietary 'sceptic tank enzyme starter powder'.

Since the post above, the natural nature of the Koi activity has given rise to relatively high levels of 'silt', which is usually captured in the top header pool, which is aprox. 4' X 3' elliptical in shape, and 2' deep. Whereas the silt usually dropped to the bottom due to the vortex action of the elipse, much of it was remaining in circulation and falling back to the main pond. It then struck me that the solution was right under my nose, a vortex and reverse flow bio sponge filter medium to effectively 'polish' the water. This was duly constructed last weekend, with 2/3 of the header being divided into a tear shape, with the sides re-concreted to create the vortex shape proper. Although many vortex diagrams depict intakes at a low level, I find that entering from a waterfall not only oxygenates what could become an anearobic set of chambers, but really aids a downward spiral to the vortex. This is important, as when the sponge chamber starts to back up, the rising level in the vortex chamber that feeds it, can overflow relatively clear water into the top of the sponge chamber, thereby avoiding overflows in the vortex. A 4" soil pipe elbow is now sited at the end furthest from the incomeing waterfall, with it's mouth on the lee side of the flow and facing upwards, with a slight angle. This ensures that any debris not caught in the vortex current swirls past the mouth intake. Another soil pipe elbow fitted to the short pipe through the dividing wall houses the 4" pipe down under the sponge filter plate in the egress chamber the other side. Cleaned water then flows up over a small wall to the stream egress of the header pond. The fall back to the main pond is approx 4', running over stones and limestone rocks. I read a poor Japanese translation some years ago, which said; "For water to be pure, it must fall at least 4' over stone!" Don't ask me why, but it has worked for me. The vortex is drained when silt levels rise by means of a Karcher (tm) basement pump, and the sponge layers flushed with the header pond water down the drain. In summary, I'm still enjoying crystal clear water and happy fish with the minimum cost and a little imagination Cool
Long-Time Koi Lover


mpagri
Koi Lover

Aug 24, 2007, 12:29 AM

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Frosty - Can you post some pictures so i can better understand whats going on in your system. i am having pretty bad filtration setup trouble for years now and your system intrigues me, but i cant quite understand all of it.


Frosty
Koi Lover

Aug 24, 2007, 6:08 AM

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I'll run some detailed pics tomorrow Mpagr Cool, but in the meantime, look here Wink http://www.koi.com.my/cgi-bin/koiforum/gforum.cgi?post=46126;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread
Long-Time Koi Lover


larz1
Koi Kichi


Aug 24, 2007, 8:37 PM

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You can get expert advice from some very knowledgeable people right in your own back yard as well. You can see some real Koi ponds done right by people who have already been down the novice roadWink. They can help you save a lot of time, money, and frustration.

Here are links to a few Koi clubs in your area.
ZNA Clubs
Flagler, Volusia, Lake, and Brevard Co.

http://www.floridakoi.org/
Gainsville, Fl
http://www.pondhoppers.org/

AKCA Clubs
Florida
  • First Coast Koi, GF & WG Club - Teresa Lawrence 904-287-0059 E Mail Web Site
  • Florida East Coast Koi & WG Society - Verna Campbell 386-774-5759 E Mail Web Site
  • Florida West Coast Koi & WG - Bob Waag 941-745-2896 E Mail
  • Gainesville Koi Club -Donald Hellard E Mail Web Site
  • Nature's Coast Koi & WG Club - Johnny Foster E Mail
  • North Florida Koi Club - Jacksonville - Nellie Hawley E Mail Web Site
  • Orlando Area Koi & Pond Club - Henry Culpepper E Mail Web Site
  • Southern Koi Association - Rod Lawton 912-729-3520 E Mail Web SiteWeb Site
  • Tampa Bay Koi Club - Ludo Van Den Bogaert 813-986-5965 E Mail Web Site
  • Tropical Koi Club - Miami - Lester Berkow (561) 392-2190 E Mail Web Site


 
 
 



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