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danielc156
Koi Lover

Jul 4, 2008, 2:38 PM

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Hi to all, my name is daniel , found this forum from the net and find the info really helpful but m confuse and cannot digest so much info. Im planning to construct a pond soon. The shape of the pond is "L" i know its not advisable but for decorative purpose so it must be in this way. The size is as per plan attached, before i read from this forum, my thought was just ask my constructor to construct it than buy filter put in fish ...kao tim. But after i go through some threads here it seem that got a lot more work to do eg. drain pipe, filteration chamber etc...... therefore i need some help as my contractor will start work soon. And also my pond depth will be only 3 ft as there is an internal drain underneath the pond, will this b a prob?
Attachments: Fish pond.jpg (79.6 KB)


wayneb
Koi Lover

Jul 5, 2008, 5:35 AM

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Dear Daniel

The best site on the internet that discusses pond construction according to me is KoiCymru - http://www.koicymru.co.uk/construct.htm
There is also another section on the site that discusses and shows ponds and their construction from other people from around the world. - http://www.koicymru.co.uk/ponddes.htm

I have some experience with pond building, have at look a the links below. It shows how i constructed my ponds.
10 000 L Construction - http://www.koicymru.co.uk/pondsa01.htm
32 000 L Construction - http://southafricankoi.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=469

Also have a look at the articles section on KoiAdventures, there some intresting articles there that might be of some help.
http://www.koiadventures.co.za/Home.aspx?Page=UsrArticles.ascx

The simples piece of advise i can give you is...Have atleast 1 bottom drain for every 10 000L.

All the best.

Wayne Barker
www.KoiAdventures.co.za - We help make the hobby fun!


dannysao
Koi Lover

Jul 7, 2008, 5:22 PM

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i think we need something more relevant locally, because there are many local factor on the construction..these link to uk or japan might not fully relevant..theory yes, but come to practical..need local support,


wayneb
Koi Lover

Jul 9, 2008, 12:51 AM

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Daniel, where exactly in the world are you?
www.KoiAdventures.co.za - We help make the hobby fun!


danielc156
Koi Lover

Jul 9, 2008, 10:59 AM

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Sorry my bad, Im from Teluk Intan, Perak, Malaysia.


Epal63
Koi Lover

Jul 9, 2008, 11:08 AM

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Hi Daniel,

You might want to read the "Shallow Pond" started by Abangk, in this forum. His pond shape is very similar to your intended pond shape.


danielc156
Koi Lover

Jul 9, 2008, 1:52 PM

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Yes, that was quite i8mpressive...and roughly thast what i will be doing. Will also include a drain pipe but can any1 recommend pump to be use (bear in mind its a L shape pond) and whats the best filtration system/size.


danielc156
Koi Lover

Jul 14, 2008, 2:42 PM

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To all, can any sifu plz comment on the pond design
Attachments: Proposed Pond 1.jpg (56.9 KB)


Epal63
Koi Lover

Jul 16, 2008, 11:39 AM

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Hi Daniel,

I am not a sifu but you might want to consider putting a second bottom drain - incase the 1st one gets stuck, you still have a 'back-up' drain. By having a second bottom drain, it will increase the water flowing into your filter.


danielc156
Koi Lover

Jul 17, 2008, 5:28 PM

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Will do that but other than that is the design alright?


thiamhwa
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Jul 18, 2008, 11:08 AM

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Hi Daniel,

Based on your sketches, I think you are designing a conventional Up & Down gravity fed filtration system. I could not make out the dimension as shown in your sketches, but anyway I did a simple sketch proposal for your pond which you may want to adopt some of the thoughts that I have put in.

The scanned drawing file is quite big and when I have it reduced, the resolution quality of the drawing has faded. Please send me a 'Private Message' with your email address
so that I could forward it to you for better viewing. Thank you.

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa



(This post was edited by thiamhwa on Jul 18, 2008, 11:11 AM)


Epal63
Koi Lover

Jul 18, 2008, 6:16 PM

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Hi,

This is a repost of ThiamHwa's Drawings, for the benefit of everyone in this forum.


Thanks


thiamhwa
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Jul 18, 2008, 10:17 PM

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Hi Francis,

Many Thanks for re-posting the proposed design drawing. That's so much pleasing to the eye.
Hopefully others may chip in with their comments as well.

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa


thiamhwa
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Jul 19, 2008, 12:12 AM

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Hi Daniel,

For your information, I am re-posting a sectional drawing through the main pond and a typical Vortex system.
This may help you to understand better on the water flow reticulation in a filtration system. The Vortex
Chamber in this case means the Settlement Chamber.

Please note that the bottom drain used in this case is a '2 pipes system' unlike what I have drawn in your
earlier sketch plan showing a typical 1 pipe system.

In my opinion, this 2 pipes bottom drain is a better system becos' you have the option to immediately flush
out waste products which are collected in the main pond via the Dry Chamber directly to prevent ammonia
build up. If possible, try to adopt this system into your design, IMHO.

If I have some free time next week, I will post a sectional drawing showing the filtration chambers
for your reference. Thank you.

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa


(This post was edited by thiamhwa on Jul 19, 2008, 12:24 AM)


danielc156
Koi Lover

Jul 21, 2008, 11:46 AM

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Bro thiamhwa,

As requested i attached herewith the site for pond construction, the filter size should be 8 ft lenght by 4 ft width approximately 25% of pond size and i will excavate 1 ft deep + 2 ft from ground level so my total depth will be 3 ft only. Almost the whole of the pond will be cover by my roof.

My calculation total water = 8,500 litres

For the pump i need 1 or 2 pump?
Attachments: Site for pond.jpg (70.9 KB)


Epal63
Koi Lover

Jul 21, 2008, 3:11 PM

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On behalf of ThiamHwa, here is the sectional drawing showing the filteration chambers by ThiamHwa.


thiamhwa
Member / Moderator

Jul 21, 2008, 3:51 PM

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Hi Francis,

Thank you very much for helping to post the above Sectional Filtration
Drawing of Daniel's proposed koi pond.

Daniel, I hope with this drawing, you will have a general idea of the filtration
system in a koi pond. The other half upper of the filtration chambers will be
similar in concept. I think you will require a 10'0" length and not 8'0" for the
filtration system compartments.

The pond water capacity here is about 3,000 gallon and you could do it with
either 1 or 2 pumps in your system. It all depend on the water pump capacity
turn over rate per hour. Thank you.

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa


(This post was edited by thiamhwa on Jul 21, 2008, 3:58 PM)


danielc156
Koi Lover

Jul 22, 2008, 4:11 PM

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Thank you very much for the design of the pond and filter, now i need to go to KL to do some shopping as i found out that shops in my home town doesn't even know what is a bottom drain.

I'll post some pics when my contractor start work soon. Again thank you very much.


thiamhwa
Member / Moderator

Jul 22, 2008, 9:35 PM

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Hi Daniel,

You may want to check out the following koi dealers in your area:-

1) WONG KOI CENTRE,
23, Lebuh Desa Pengkalan,
Taman Desa Pengkalan Lahat,
31500 Ipoh, Perak
Tel. NO. 05 - 5287679, H/P No. 016 - 4560573

2)ONN LOK NISHIKIGOI,
212, Jalan Bendahara,
31650 Ipoh, Perak
Tel. 05 - 2413568
Shin Yek Chong H/P No. 012-5011188

3)Pondfarers Garden Design,
Lot. 50761, Jalan Ghazali Jawi,
31400 Ipoh, Perak
Choy - 012 517 9193 or Khoo - 012 518 7901

When you are there, do ask them to show you their filtration system so that you may have a
better understanding of the overall filtration system before commencement of your own project.
Good-luck.

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa

 
 
 



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