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ubrush
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Jul 16, 2008, 11:05 PM

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I just found this forum so I hope someone can advise me on my problem. I just had a new Koi pond built. It is 6ft deep 30ft wide and about 12 feet across.There is a smaller bog that flows in this bigger pond and waterfalls. I think it has about 16,000-18,000 gallons of water. There are two bottom drains going to a huge sediment chamber then two lines come out of the chamber. One goes to a 12,000 per hour pump --> waterfall, and the other line from sediment chamber --> 7,000 gallon per hour pump -->UV light then bead filter -> waterfall.

Ok heres the problem. the water level in the sediment chamber is 12 inches lower than the level in the pond. It appears that the pumps are pulling the water out of the sediment chamber faster than the water is coming to the chamber from the pond. If I turn the pumps off, the water rises in the chamber to the correct level.
As the water in the chamber falls the refill water valve comes on to replenish the "lost" water and in the course of time the level in the pond is rising. The end result is I am using an excessive amount of water and the pond is almost overflowing!

I think the main lines from the bottom drain are either clogged or just under engineered. The pond has only been up and running for about 6 weeks. I have already had the bottom drains cleared of debris once.


Epal63
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Jul 17, 2008, 9:51 AM

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I just found this forum so I hope someone can advise me on my problem. I just had a new Koi pond built. It is 6ft deep 30ft wide and about 12 feet across.There is a smaller bog that flows in this bigger pond and waterfalls. I think it has about 16,000-18,000 gallons of water. There are two bottom drains going to a huge sediment chamber then two lines come out of the chamber. One goes to a 12,000 per hour pump --> waterfall, and the other line from sediment chamber --> 7,000 gallon per hour pump -->UV light then bead filter -> waterfall.

Ok heres the problem. the water level in the sediment chamber is 12 inches lower than the level in the pond. It appears that the pumps are pulling the water out of the sediment chamber faster than the water is coming to the chamber from the pond. If I turn the pumps off, the water rises in the chamber to the correct level.
As the water in the chamber falls the refill water valve comes on to replenish the "lost" water and in the course of time the level in the pond is rising. The end result is I am using an excessive amount of water and the pond is almost overflowing!

I think the main lines from the bottom drain are either clogged or just under engineered. The pond has only been up and running for about 6 weeks. I have already had the bottom drains cleared of debris once.


Hi,

Lower water level in the chambers in comparison to the main-pond is normal. This allows the gravity water pull from the chambers. However, 12" lower sounds a bit too low.

Could you tell us the following:
(1) Is the water level in the chambers maintained at 12" ? ie it will not drop below that?
(2) Is the filter size 30% of your main pond?
(3) What is the diameter size of each of the two bottom drain?
(4) Do you have a surface skimmer?


thiamhwa
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Jul 17, 2008, 10:14 AM

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Hi ubrush,

I think the problem here is the small diameter size pipes used for the 2nos.
of bottom drains Hence, the water coming into the sediment chamber cannot
cope with the fast amount of water turn over rate by the pumps.

You may want to consider re-diverting or adding one of the returning water
pipe from the pump directly into the Sediment chamber instead of flowing back
to the main pond. I think that is a simple and cheap way of solving your problem.

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa


(This post was edited by thiamhwa on Jul 17, 2008, 10:17 AM)


ubrush
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Jul 17, 2008, 10:46 AM

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The 12 in difference is just where it was yesterday. There is a replinishing water valve mounted in the sediment chamber. If it is turned on it runs almost continuously to try to maintain the water level in the chamber. However since the water is being pumped out faster that it is being sucked into the chamber from the pond the water level in the pond goes up and up until it will run over the sides of the pond. And yes I do have a skimmer but the water from it is just recirculated back into the pond and doesn't go throug the main pumps or filter. The plumbing is 4 in pvc from the bottom drains. I think they are 4 inch drains. The filter system is a bead filter and I think that it is at least 30%.
My water is clear and that is no problem. I just don't know if bottom drains are sufficient to pull enough water into the chamber. I wonder if the water from the surface skimmer was being pumped into the chamber instead of being just recirculated it might solve the problem. When you have a surface skimmer on a pond this size is it not normal for the skimmer water to be circulated through the filters?


ubrush
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Jul 17, 2008, 10:51 AM

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I'm sorry I forgot something. If I turn the replinishing valve off, then the water level of the sediment chamber continues to fall and the pond water level continues to rise.


Epal63
Koi Lover

Jul 17, 2008, 12:09 PM

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Hi ubrush,

From what you have described so far, I am inclined to think the bottom drains are blocked, possibly partially. Two bottom drains with 4" pipes should be ok since there are only 2 pumps which unlikely to have pipes bigger than 4". However, there is also a remote possibility that there is leakage in the filter chambers/pond!

In my pond set-up, the water from surface skimmer flows back to the settlement chamber.

Could you please provide a sketch of your pond set-up which includes your piping to ensure, nothing has been overlooked?


jomoma
Koi Lover

Aug 5, 2008, 1:14 AM

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I think 4 inch pipe can only flow at around 5k. so you have 10k in flow but your pumps are way over that. add another drain or two or cut back the pump power.

 
 
 



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