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dttk
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Aug 23, 2002, 3:20 PM

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Chingbee

, did you manage to get the TC working with your present pump? You should get bubbles coming out of the black tubes. There is a knob for you to regulate the water flow, (+) means more and (-) means less. If you're able to get the bubbles coming out at the rate of 1L per hour (collect the discharge and measure), as recommended, without having to turn the knob to maximum, then your pump is strong enough. If no bubbles and you're already at maximum, then your pump is not strong enough. I do not know how much water flows thru my TC because it is getting only part of my pump's output. The rest goes to waterfalls and venturi. Wink

Stuart

, do you agree with me?
Always friendly :)

patrick123
Koi Kichi

Aug 23, 2002, 4:16 PM

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Dr Tan,

So for G65 is 10,000L pump. What about G20? What size of pump should I use?

Since I'm channeling all the waste water to the drain, I'm afraid that if I set the flow too high, too much water is being drained away from the pond.

Any advise?

Thanks,
Patrick

Chingbee
Koi Lover

Aug 23, 2002, 6:09 PM

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But I have tried my TC using the 4200L/hr pump and there are bubbles coming out nicely, does this mean my TC is not doing it's job well?

Chingbee
Koi Lover

Aug 23, 2002, 10:19 PM

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Dr. Tan,

Thanks, I think my TC is working well with my present pump - there are bubbles coming out on top, and water does continously flows out (discharge) I have to (-) it so not too much water will come out.

Sly

dttk
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Aug 24, 2002, 10:10 AM

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Good morning Patrick, with your present pump, are you able to get the bubbles coming out at the rate of 1L per hour? If more than that, turn the knob towards the (-) and this should slow down the flow. In that case, you should not lose too much water and your pump is powerful enough Smile

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Always friendly :)

patrick123
Koi Kichi

Aug 25, 2002, 11:52 PM

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Dr Tan,

I have just acquired the TC and therefore have not tried it out with any pump yet. Just wondering what is the recommended pump size. I was told should be at least 5000L/hr since the G65 runs at about 10000L/hr.

But then Chingbee is using only 4,200L/hr. Not sure if Chingbee is using the G20 or G65.

Cheers,
Patrick

dttk
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Aug 26, 2002, 9:33 AM

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Patrick

, I think 4000-5000LpH pump should be good enough if you're dedicating this pump only to the TC. There is no harm using a stronger pump as you'll have more room to adjust the flow. I think Chingbee should be using a G65 as her new pond is massive. Regards Wink

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patrick123
Koi Kichi

Aug 26, 2002, 9:44 AM

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Dr Tan,

Thanks for the advise. I will try it out and let everyone knows the rating.

Cheers,
Patrick

Chingbee
Koi Lover

Aug 26, 2002, 12:40 PM

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Hi Patrick,

I'm using G65 with 4200LPH submersible pump and output of the TC seems ok

Ching

patrick123
Koi Kichi

Aug 26, 2002, 3:31 PM

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Chingbee,

Thanks for the info.

Cheers,
Patrick

SMW1
Koi Kichi

Aug 27, 2002, 2:54 PM

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Hi All,

Sorry all, I should have said that I use a 10,000 litre an hour pump for my pond, rather than a 10,000 gal pump is reccomended.

I have looked up the specifications and it it reccomended for G65 to have a pump between 3,000 - 15,000. They can not narrow this down at all and don't give any reason.

I think the reason the range is so wide is to do with head height. Where as Chingbee probably pumps from the filter to TC at about 2' - 3'. I have to pump up to 7' as the pump is in the pond (also the tubing is about 15' as well which has a drastic impact on performace). This is probably the reason that we both have the same results with different pumps.

Chingbee, Correct me if I am wrong.

Sorry Patrick, I could not find the specifications for the G20. But as Dr Tan says if you get the bubbles (out of the additional piping) then there is no problem. My bubbles start to appear right in the center of the "+, -"setting which I believe to be the best place to have them.

patrick123
Koi Kichi

Aug 27, 2002, 7:26 PM

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Stuart,

Is your pond 7ft deep??? My god, that's like heaven for koi. Angelic

BTW, is there a problem with reflection with a really deep pond? I have visited a koi farm and they have a pond of 10ft deep (100ton pond). Half of the time, the koi is 3ft below and it is kind of hard to view them...and I noticed a lot of reflection compare to a more shallow pond.

Cheers,
Patrick

SMW1
Koi Kichi

Aug 27, 2002, 9:13 PM

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No my pond is only 5� deep. The pond feeds the filter via a pump therefore the filter sits about 1.5� above the water surface and the TC is on top of that.

I�m glad you mentioned Reflections, its something not a lot of people thing about. The problem of reflection has nothing to do with the depth of the pond. Whenever designing a pond, location is very important. What I have done for my new pond (which will be 7� deep) is, I place a large bucket of water on the floor where I want my pond (obviously more than 1 bucket for a big pond). I can then check this at various points of the day to see where / what the reflection will be in different areas. If I can not move the pond, I will make sure I either cover the pond with a pergola to minimise reflection or I would situate the feeding / viewing area when the reflection is minimal.

I know many people that have built a really big nice pond and have though of everything, but did not think about the reflection. The water is really clear but on a sunny day you can not see the fish 2" under the surface due to reflection.

patrick123
Koi Kichi

Aug 28, 2002, 10:28 AM

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Stuart,

How does this reflection come along? It is interesting as the place I visited has all the ponds under cover. The 5ft pond is only right next to the 10ft one...Both ponds are painted in black and the 10ft one looks so deep that it looks a bit scary. As for reflection, the 5ft pond was so much clearer and I can see the details of all the fishes....and for the 10ft, I had to get the owner to fish out the koi in order to have a good look.

So my question is, if we are building a pond in the house so that our visitors and us can enjoy viewing the fish, do we really want a pond that is more than 5ft deep? Due to my inexperienced contractor who build the pond, mine is only 3.5-4ft deep. So I don't think I will encounter this problem. Smile

I guess the question is, do we want what's good for the fish or what's good for us. Smile

Thanks,
Patrick

Chingbee
Koi Lover

Aug 28, 2002, 12:43 PM

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Stuart,

The pump is situated in the last chamber and directly above it is my turbo cleaner, so about 3 feet I guess or maybe 4 feet including the hose that connects to it. Anyways, you can always adjust the bubbles. For the G20 maybe a smaller than my 4200LPH pump would be okey - say about 3000 LPH?

SMW1
Koi Kichi

Aug 28, 2002, 2:14 PM

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Patrick,

I bet your koi dealer had a field day trying to get koi out of a 10' pond. I can imagine the amount of drag the net would produce that far under.

It's strange that you say the ponds are next to each other, both covered and only 1 has reflection. Were you standing in such a way that you looked at the pond in a different direction ?.

If you think about it a reflection is made up or light particles bouncing off of a reflective surface such water or glass. So the depth of it should not come into it at all as the light only uses the surface of the water to create a refelection.

Ching,

3' foot height probably explains why your TC works well with a 4200 and I have to use double that due to my 7' head. I would agree with you that a 3000 for the G20 would be an idea pump for the same set up as you have however I would move up 1000 litres per hour per additional 1' head.

patrick123
Koi Kichi

Aug 28, 2002, 3:19 PM

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Stuart,

The guy apparently has big muscles. Laugh

. I guess is more fun trying to net a koi than going to gym. Laugh

What you said about the reflection makes sense. I was always under the impression that some amount of light travel through the water and reflect at the bottom of the tank and hence cancel out the light at the reflective surface. If the pond is too deep, the light cannot travel all the way down and hence only the light at the surface is present and hence the reflection is enhanced. This could be just my imagination. Do you have this problem with your 7ft deep pond?

Thanks,
Patrick

SMW1
Koi Kichi

Aug 28, 2002, 5:56 PM

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No Wonder he's got big muscles if you keep asking him "Can I see the one at the bottom please". Wink

Your theory could also be right, I would never disagree unless I have tested both theories in great detail.

Would anyone else like to give us their opinion on reflections of ponds. - Do you think that epth of a pond plays a part in the amount of reflection the pond produces ?

I haven't got my 7' pond finished yet so I can not comment on the reflection of this.

johnson lee
Koi Kichi

Aug 29, 2002, 3:30 PM

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Hi Stuart

You are right, most of us (including myself) never give proper thought to water reflections on our pond until we find out too late. Crazy

It is a good idea to put a large basin of water on the ground where we intend to locate our pond and walk around and see from various angles to decide the best location. However, in my case due to the lack of land and space, I know the location of my pond right from the start because that is the only spot I have avalaible anyway! Crazy

Why is it that from certain angles we are unable to see the water clearly as though there is 'blind spot' in the water? I have found that from different varying angles, light refracts differently hence the seemingly blind spot. I know for example that my pond viewed from the feeding area has a blind spot and sometime I am unable to see the fishes but from where the filter is located, I get absolutely wonderful clear view.

There are different factors involved here: One of it is definitely due to the surrounding area such as trees, foliage, plants, building structure etc. I find that the more shade or structures around the pond, the more blind spots there are as compared to a completely uninhibited pond. The depth of the pond also plays a role in creating blind spots. The deeper the pond, the higher possibility of light not being able to penetrate to that level hence unable to reflect the light back to the viewer's eyes.

However, I find that this problem disappears at night when artificial light is introduced and I can see the pond clearly from all angles.

Just my observation.

Johnson Smile

SMW1
Koi Kichi

Aug 29, 2002, 3:39 PM

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Hmm very interesting. So like Patrick you believe that the depth of a pond has a role to play in reflection also. I can understand what you are saying about the light penatrating up to a certain point, but I'm still not convinced Unsure

. Come on guys convince me Wink

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The colour of the sourrounding environament in a pond will also be a major player in the reflection. You will get reflection no matter what but ifyou have dark surroundings as apposed to light colours I am sure the felection would be much less. (think of a police screening - where the suspects line up, light one side -dark the other, who can see who?)

David Kuantoro
Koi Lover

Oct 29, 2004, 11:43 PM

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halo , dttk

it's me David From Indonesia . remember me ? do you have e-mail of LINTREX ?
i want to buy G65 for my pond . of maybe anybody in this forum know where to buy in singapore or maybe in my country INDONESIA ?
Thanks

Cheers

dttk
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Oct 30, 2004, 9:19 AM

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Hi David, how are you? Smile

I do not have their email. However the local dealer is LINTREX (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD, Lot 19345 & 6, Tmn. Perindustrian Selayang, Batu 8 1/2, Jalan Ipoh, 68100 Batu Caves, Selangor. Tel: 03-6138 8888.
Alternatively, you could do a search at www.google.com and I'm sure you'll get some info. Regards. Smile

Always friendly :)

andymadd
Koi Lover

Nov 10, 2004, 4:32 AM

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Hi

Bit slow with this post sorry but I have the smaller TC and the gunk it removes is very good I added a couple of large airstones into the base of the unit just to make extra bubbles and it worked even better so consider pumping air in as well as using the venturi

Andy

David Kuantoro
Koi Lover

Nov 18, 2004, 11:30 AM

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hello , dttk

fine , i'm very fine . and my koi is fine too . i have already fine their e-mail ( lintrex@pd.jaring.my ) but their e-mail server allways full . so my e-mail always returned .
can any body in this forum help me where to buy febi turbo-cleaner ?
i hear from trevor in east riding koi says the company who took over febi is being liquidation . so maybe febi is no longer avaiable .

thanks

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