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Chingbee
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May 30, 2001, 7:11 AM

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I've newly been hooked with koi pond hobby and will be building a new one.
I need advise on how to make a filter box, how many chambers do I need to have? what filter materials do I need in it?
Thanks.

Ching


Khoobg
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May 30, 2001, 8:45 AM

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Please read this thread

http://www.koi.com.my/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000005.html



Chingbee
Koi Lover

May 30, 2001, 10:31 AM

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Does this mean that I need to make at least 4 chambers? Are all materials on each chamber the same? If I want to put a vegetable filter which chamber will I put it?

Thanks for directing me to the topic. Smile

Ching

(This post was edited by Chingbee on May 5, 2003, 2:00 PM)


Khoobg
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May 30, 2001, 10:36 AM

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You will need a settlement chamber, a bio chamber and another chamber for pumping water back to the pond. The bio filter should be as large as possible with a size equal to at least 30% of surface area of the main pond.


Chingbee
Koi Lover

May 31, 2001, 6:03 AM

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So sorry for placing too many questions, Wink how many pump do I need? Do I need one to drain the water from the pond and into the filter, then another to get the water from the filter to the pond?

Should the filter chambers be equal in height with the pond? What if I would like the returning water to be a waterfall? Do I make my filter chambers higher than the pond and would not be needing another pump?

Thanks again.

Ching


Edward
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May 31, 2001, 11:15 AM

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I'm also very new to koi pond. You may want to consider what I've gone through with my new pond.

I've a little pond measuring 9'x 5' which holds about 18" of water. Attached to the pond I've built a small chamber measuring 1'x 3.5' which hold about 2' of water. This chamber was built for the purpose of a vegetable filter. Water is pumped from the pond into the chamber which will overflow as a waterfall back to the pond. When I was building the pond (totally DIY except the digging), I've no idea what type of fish I will be keeping so I don't have any other filter system being built into the pond. My pond is exposed to sunlight all day long.

There is also another small waterfall near the vege filter. I've also a small fountain at the center of the pond. I believe this will provide adequate aeration. To ensure there will be good circulation, the pumps are placed at the opposite end of the vege filter. And, I also have 2 pots of lotus in the pond.

I first tested the pond with 5 local Japanese carps with an average size of 10 cm. When I found them to be OK after 24 hours. I put in 5 koi of an average size of 20 cm.

This is where the fun started. When I woke up the next mroning. My whole pond has turned whitish. I realized the fish must have messed up with the clay/mud of my 2 pots of lotus. I immediately raised the lotus to almost the surface of the water. As I don't have any filtration system, I built a sand filter within the same day to "clean" the water. It was a very simple sand filter. I used a 10 gallon trash bin and 1/2 filled it with some sand, charcoal and filter mats.

The water started to claer up after about 24 hours, and became even clearer the next day. BUT NOW THE WATER STARTED TO TURN GREEN.

I surfed the net to try to find some solutions. After having visited numerous sites, the conclusion is that I have no choice but to live with the green water for a while until my new pond is matured and balance. BTW my pond is less than 2 months old.

After having lived with the green water for a few days, I found that I could not bear with it any longer and decided that I would do it my way.

I now used a 20 gallon cylindrical drum to built a sand filter, and changed the water completely. Guess what the water is still crystal clear even after one week. I believe it is the sand filter that is doing the tricks and I believe it will stay that way.

The lesson I learnt from the above is that, you may not need a complex filter system to ensure water clarity. A sand filter is equally effective. It is inexpensive, easy to build, results are immediate, and so versatile that you can put it any where you like. My sand filter is built with subsequent maintenance in mind.

I hope my long winded message will give you some thought in deciding for a filtration system.


Chingbee
Koi Lover

May 31, 2001, 12:13 PM

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Hi Edward, thanks for your explanation. On my first pond I also experienced the same pea green pond and the culprit I guess was the too much sunlight hitting my pond and the new bio filter that I had. After installing a netting on top of my pond and having run the filter for quite sometime the water cleared up. I'm just using a submersible pump that goes into my small bio-filter (inside it are filter mats, foams, rocks etc) and then comes out as waterfall into the pond. As I am hooked with my koi's and would like to add newer and better one's, I'm not very content with the quality of the water.

I am currently planning to build a new and bigger pond which will be about 15ft X 8ft X 6 ft (if it's a rectangle, accdg to my husband) but I'm still insisting for an informal design with a Gazebo and bridge. So now I would like to really make it right this time.

I still would like to have a falls, my problem is if I put my pump at the last chamber (as what I have usually read from other sites) would the water from the pond drain go up to my filter chambers? Would the pressure from the water volume of the pond send the water to the much smaller filter chamber? That is my problem [biggrin] [biggrin]


Ben
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May 31, 2001, 1:58 PM

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In my opinion, if one wish to keep koi for a long time and be trouble free, it is important to have a proper filtration system. All koi need the most is a good water quality that have zero ammonia, nitrate and low nitrate.

Sand filter is defnitely a good mechanical filter it is defnitely able to filter all type of find solid, including algae. Nevertheless, clear water is not the only thing that we are up to. We need to achieve good water quality all the time so that it will not be stressful for koi.

The challenge is also the fact that koi grow very fast [ with reasonable feeding] and you will continue to face with more and more fish waste that you need to treat with each passing day. A good bio filter on top of a good prefilter is definitely the best bet. Adding a sand filter at the final stage of the filtration system will be an added advantage.

With all proper filter in place, you should be able to see your koi grow extremely fast without casulty Smile


dttk
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Jun 1, 2001, 12:41 AM

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Hi, I agree with Ben. Clear water does not automatically mean good water for koi keeping. The pH, hardness, absence of ammonia and nitrites, low nitrates and dissolved oxygen must be taken into consideration. To fully appreciate the beauty of koi, one should 'try within his means' to provide an environment that will provide it with maximum potential to develope and grow.


Khoobg
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Jun 1, 2001, 2:08 AM

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Hi chingbee,

From the main pond, there is need to have to 4" bottom drain to connect it to the settlment chamber. You may also wish to have mid water feed to the settlement chamber as well.

The pump must be in the last chamber of the filter box to pump the water either to a Trickle Tower, Waterfall or just back to the pond.

For a 15 x 8 x 6' pond, you must make sure a proper filter is built or you will be in trouble later on. For a start, you must also get used to test your pond water frequently using water test kits. No one can be sure of whether your present pond water is of good quality unless proper test is carried out.

As mentioned earlier, a good settlement chamber is very important and that chamber must also be able to be flush easily from time to time. This will save you a lot of works later. Remember, we all want to spend more time enjoy our koi rather spend endless time to clean the filter, to cure of koi of sickness,....



Chingbee
Koi Lover

Jun 1, 2001, 3:10 AM

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Thank you all for your reply.

I will try to locate where I could buy a sand filter.

I notice that most of you here build the filters level with the pond. Is there no problem with the water draining from the pond to the filter?

Ching


Khoobg
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Jun 1, 2001, 3:19 AM

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While your pond may be of 6ft deep, your filter need not to equally deep. Three feet will be more than sufficient. The top surface of the filter box is of course level with the pond top. Whenever water is pumped from the last chamber, the water level in the pond filter will drop and water from the main pond will move to the filter box via bottom drain.



Chingbee
Koi Lover

Jun 1, 2001, 4:46 AM

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Dear Mr. Khoo,

That is what I thought it would happen, I just wanted to hear it from the expert, just to be sure - thank you. I will be making that kind of filter chamber, with the pump at the end.

Thank you all for your time and answers.

Ching


Ben
Koi Lover

Jun 1, 2001, 1:13 PM

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Having a sand filter is no doubt is good but it is not a necessity. With a sand filter installed, you pond water will most likely to be crystal clear. Without one, you will still be able to see the bottom of your pond clearly if your overall filter system is complete with a trickle tower or sufficient vegetation to absorb the nitrate from pond water.

Sand filter has the disadvantage that it need to be back flushed everyday and it drain a lot of electricity.



JSHUM
Koi Lover

Jun 2, 2001, 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by Ben:
Having a sand filter is no doubt is good but it is not a necessity. With a sand filter installed, you pond water will most likely to be crystal clear. Without one, you will still be able to see the bottom of your pond clearly if your overall filter system is complete with a trickle tower or sufficient vegetation to absorb the nitrate from pond water.

Sand filter has the disadvantage that it need to be back flushed everyday and it drain a lot of electricity.



I would appreciate if Ben will help me on:

1.If the water will pass through a prefilter to remove all heavier and larger waste before going thro the sandfilter, is it still necessary for me back wash the sandfilter every day? If so, why?

2. I believe the sand filter does not only contain sand but gravel and perhaps small rocks as well. Will it also become some kind of biofilter as well if given enough time?

Thanks!



Chingbee
Koi Lover

Jun 2, 2001, 2:24 AM

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Hi again, I think I won't be using the sand filter coz even if I want to there's none available in our area. :lol I think I'll just use Vortex; 3 biofilter chamber; skimmer, then back to pond thru water falls.

Ching Smile



FrankChong
Koi Lover

Jun 3, 2001, 2:14 AM

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Hi JSHUM,

Many people install the sand filter after the bio filter as a final water polisher to trap whatever fine waste that escape the bio filter. They usually use fine sand in such installation.

As the filter aged and waste get in it. The sand will start to cake, the slimmy waste will bind the sand particles together. If you do not backwash, the water discharge from the sand filter will reduce to a trickle.

I use the sand filter the other way round. I use it as a prefilter. The aggregate size I used is 3mm to 5mm. After going through the sand filter, water is discharge into bio filter, which is at a higher lever. Water returns to pond by gravity.

I have to backwash daily, otherwise the flowrate will reduce to less than half the normal flowrate.

Why I do this? I believe in large daily water changes of 15%. Instead of draining the pond water to waste I use it to clean up the prefilter. With this prefilter I have less waste in the bio chamber and I can extend the period between each cleanout.

For those who do not believe in large water changes, this could be an expensive proposition.

If anyone can alocate 30% surface area of pond for the filter chamber, it would work without any of this additional gadgets.


JSHUM
Koi Lover

Jun 6, 2001, 5:12 AM

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Frank,

Thanks very much for your input!


koiman
Koi Lover

Jun 28, 2001, 3:06 PM

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ching why not use a skimmer (pond sweep) and a biofall connected to it (pond sweep)also you could have a bottom drain connected to the skimmer or going to another filter.

 
 
 



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