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dabagboy
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Jul 5, 2007, 12:16 AM

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Help me I can't stop myself!!! just kidding but I really am stuck on how to best add another stream/pond near the pond I just put in this month. The current pond is about 11'x15'x2' deep in Michigan.

I had an older liner (16'x20') from my old house (we sold the house 45 yrs ago to a disabled person who wanted me to remove the pond), I used that liner to build the pond in the pix below.

As soon as I finished it I wanted to add a stream/pond in front of my patio and attach it to the existing pond. So before "finishing" all the edging I need some help.

You can get an idea what I'm doing from the pix below...I've drawn white lines where I intend to dig the "new pond". You can still see the existing skimmer box (Savio compact) in the upper right corner of the pond.

My first question is should the existing pond flow into the new pond, or vice versa?

The landscape supply guy suggested to flow into the existing pond and add a second skimmer box. Citing the following....Strongly advised I not use a bottom pump (as I had thought I migh) with requisite hoses etc...step backward, not good design, pull detritus to bottom

If I flow out of the pond, he said I would have problems getting the flow right as my existing pond would then have 2 exits (skimmer box and new stream/pond). I would then use another skimmer box on the other side of the new pond pumping back into the "old" pond.

In one way it seems easier to flow into the "main pond" I could easily dig out new pond build up edges and even install a "new" waterfall opposite the existing waterfall. I am just stuck on how to pump into the new pond out of the old....Do I really need a new skimmer box?

Please look here

http://tinyurl.com/yubr5x


(This post was edited by dabagboy on Jul 5, 2007, 12:20 AM)


larz1
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Jul 5, 2007, 1:32 AM

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Re: [dabagboy] how to add a second pond [In reply to] Can't Post
Before we try to go any further one question is a must answer. Are Koi in the pond, or is it just a water garden? If there are Koi you have a serous problem at only 2' depth in Michigan. Your water will freeze and your fish will not survive at that depth.
As to the best way to add a 2nd pond, I would consider having the large shallow area you now have as a water garden for plants and let it flow to a 2nd deeper pond for fish. That way you can have a safe depth for fish during the entire year, lots of plants the fish can't tear up, and you get to keep the nice waterfall you've obviously spent a lot of time on.
As to the landscapers advice, unless he has been personally keeping nice Koi successfully for several years, I can promise you he doesn't know what he is talking about from a fishkeeping standpoint. Landscaping, water gardens, and Fish ponds are not the same, but landscapers have a bad habit of thinking they are. Well intentioned landscapers have probably helped more people spend more money and kill more fish in the process than just about anyone else I can think ofShocked
Take some more pictures of the area around your pond so we can see where you want to put the new pond in so we can see the lay of the land a bit better.


dabagboy
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Jul 5, 2007, 2:15 AM

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Re: [larz1] how to add a second pond [In reply to] Can't Post
Yes there are fish, the ice only freezes to about 6" at the deepest, I use a bubbler to keep a hole open in the ice, it works fine. This is the fourth pond I've dug, only lost fish once, in a 4' deep pond in my last house, my heater died and I didn't bother to replace it...just goldfish and shubkins.

The area around the pond is here shown by the white lines you may need to blow up the thumbnails to see the "lay of the land.

It is all pretty much level, every minute I'm changing my mind about which direction to flow the water, I'm again thinking that flowing the new into the old would enable me to build more of a waterfall and flowing stream vs. the old into the new which would limit the distance the water could drop to about 4" at the most.....

So then I'm back to where do I want to place the pump......

Bottom of pond or in a new skimmer box?


ayranjim
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Jul 5, 2007, 9:11 PM

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Hello, I agreee that landscapers are the last people to ask about KOI ponds! Just the same pool people will try to sell you pool pumps and filters, Koi are in a totaly different field. One must have an indepth understanding of koi before you can build a good koi pond! I would say that before anything start with WHERE and HOW are the pumps and biofilters going to be located, as they are the heart of a healthy koi pond! Everything else falls into place.

 
 
 



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