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karrunan
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Feb 27, 2007, 4:23 PM

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Hello,

I have just constructed a pond 8ft length X 6' ft wide and 3.5'ft depth. I want to know how much is my water volume and what to use as my filtering media and how to keep the water clean.

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Koi38
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Feb 27, 2007, 7:04 PM

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You have approx 4570L, that's all the way to the edgeSmile.

What are your filter containers made of or you have noneCrazy

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karrunan
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Mar 2, 2007, 3:01 PM

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Thank you so much for replying. My filter is the conventional type, it has four concrete compartments.

First one receives the water by gravity flow from the pond than flows over to the second compartment which I have put japan filter mat and plus filter which than the water flows into the third compartment via the bottom and filtered with bio-ring and coral, eventualy flowing into the forth comparment where my pumps suck the water back to the pond.

First 2 weeks it was ok, after that the water in the forth compartment is being sucked faster than the inlet flow. I have three pumps in the fourth compartment.

One for my water fountain and two for the water circulation in the pond.

I know it is confusing, please help me get it right.

Regards,
Suresh


Koi38
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Mar 2, 2007, 5:16 PM

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Suresh,

Need more info, but I have a feeling what's wrong hereWink

*You said the water gravity feed from pond to filters........how?
*What are pumps specs like L/hr?
*Sound like you have the up/down filter system, correct?

rgds,
Jon

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ayranjim
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Mar 2, 2007, 6:16 PM

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Hello, there are maybe 2 things, 1 is that your pump is too big and is pumping more water than what is flowing into the chambers, or maybe in the chambers there is so much crap that it is slowing the flow rate!!! Check to see if the first chamber is clogged!


karrunan
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Mar 4, 2007, 2:54 PM

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Jon,

When I constructed the pond, I layed a 2" pvc pipe from the pond to the first filter chamber, so as I fill the pond with water, the volume of water in the first filter chamber fills up and continues to flow on to the rest of the filters.

I have one "Grunfos" pump 13,000 L/hr for circulation of the pond, second pump 5,500 L/hr for the pond fountain and third pump 5,500 L/hr for circulation also. I actualy wanted to convert the third pump for oxygen, but than thaught I dont need it if I have good water circulation. I am not sure, please help.

I feel the three pumps are sucking out water faster than the flow into the first filter chamber, or did I clog up the 2nd and 3rd filter chamber with to much of filter media. What can I do.

Regards,
Suresh


karrunan
Koi Lover

Mar 4, 2007, 2:58 PM

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Ayranjim,

When I constructed the pond, I layed a 2" pvc pipe from the pond to the first filter chamber, so as I fill the pond with water, the volume of water in the first filter chamber fills up and continues to flow on to the rest of the filters.

I have one "Grunfos" pump 13,000 L/hr for circulation of the pond, second pump 5,500 L/hr for the pond fountain and third pump 5,500 L/hr for circulation also. I actualy wanted to convert the third pump for oxygen, but than thaught I dont need it if I have good water circulation. I am not sure, please help.

I feel the three pumps are sucking out water faster than the flow into the first filter chamber, or did I clog up the 2nd and 3rd filter chamber with to much of filter media. What can I do.

Regards,
Suresh


Koi38
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Mar 4, 2007, 7:01 PM

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Suresh,

When I constructed the pond, I layed a 2" pvc pipe from the pond to the first filter chamber, so as I fill the pond with water, the volume of water in the first filter chamber fills up and continues to flow on to the rest of the filters. I have one "Grunfos" pump 13,000 L/hr for circulation of the pond, second pump 5,500 L/hr for the pond fountain and third pump 5,500 L/hr for circulation also. I actualy wanted to convert the third pump for oxygen, but than thaught I dont need it if I have good water circulation. I am not sure, please help.
There is your problem you have 3 pumps at a total of 24,000L/hr. then you have a 2" pipe that can handle a flow rate of 6,000L max only( 4" pipe can handle 15,00L max.) You will need to replace your inlet from 2" to 4" so you can use your Granfos pump. Then you may want to install a surface skimmer and run either gravity to a SC then pumped.
I feel the three pumps are sucking out water faster than the flow into the first filter chamber, or did I clog up the 2nd and 3rd filter chamber with to much of filter media. What can I do.
As I said above, your pumps are sucking dry your filter. If you can't do my suggestions, you will need to valve down your pumps which is a shame coz you not using the pumps at fullPirate


rgds,
Jon
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karrunan
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Mar 4, 2007, 9:22 PM

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Thanks for the advice jon. I dont understand
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"Then you may want to install a surface skimmer and run either gravity to a SC then pumped."
Can you advise how many Bio-blocks I should be using or what is best to use for the water clarity.


Regards,
Suresh


Koi38
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Mar 5, 2007, 8:10 AM

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Suresh,

You add a surface skimmer. This will trap all the floating waste like poop, leaves, dust, etcWink.

You can have the skimmer connected to your 5,500L pump => UV => TT or BS then gravity feed back to pond via waterfalls or mid water return. Got itTongueSmile

When it comes to filtration the more the better. If you think you have enough add more, that's what I tell pplSmile Also must add air in the biofilterWink

rgds,
Jon

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karrunan
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Mar 7, 2007, 8:28 AM

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Jon,

My water is changing green, what should I do. Last was, I put some four capS full of "BIOZYME".

Regards,
Suresh


karrunan
Koi Lover

Mar 7, 2007, 8:41 AM

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Jon,

Attached is my pond configuration in pdf format, please advise if it is done the right way. I don't really know what to do.

Regards,
Suresh
Attachments: Suresh Fish Pond.pdf (64.3 KB)


nashnell
Koi Lover

Mar 7, 2007, 11:16 AM

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Dear Suresh.

I am a pond amateur - do not even have a pond yet. Intending to have one. Pls see the design i posted on the site. Your pond, i think i may be able to comment but i guess some guys have already isolated it to the suction and gravity feed being not sync'd.

How much was your pond if you dont mind me asking ?
Also can you comment on my pond ?

regards


Koi38
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Mar 7, 2007, 1:03 PM

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Jon,

My water is changing green, what should I do. Last was, I put some four capS full of "BIOZYME".

Regards,
Suresh
Suresh,

Your pons is suffering from "new pond syndrome" which is normal. As long as your water parameters are all okay.
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 40<
PH 7.0 to 8.4

I saw your drawing and there are few things need changing to improve waste removal from pond to filter. I know you have water fountain in the middle but what's the big circle in the middle and what's the half curve on the corner near the 2" BD. Also from my understanding, you have 3 x 2" pipe to transfer water from one filter to another. No?

rgds,
Jon

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karrunan
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Mar 7, 2007, 2:18 PM

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Jon,

How do I mesure, what you have mentioned below, this is what I am lacking of, not aware at all.

Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 40<
PH 7.0 to 8.4

The big circle is my piegeoun fountain which sits wright at the centre of the pond on a stand, the water is pushed up and than flows into the pond. The half curve is a another small pond within the pond. This is to cater for the fish when I want to clean or wash the big pond in future, I know it is a bit small, but that was the idea.

I saw your website and your pond construction slide show, I take my hats for you, never seen such a thing before, so well planned. Anyway thats what I want my pond to be as well, clear water is all I want.

The 3 x 2" pipe, if you have noticed these pipes are in the second compartment which actualy letting water flowing from below, the water is flowing from filter #2 to filter # 3 from below after being filtered in Filter # 2, see my "water flow diagram" in the filter compartments.

Water is filtered in filter # 2 by Japan filter mat, than the water flows into filter # 3 via the 3 x 2" pipes and filtered thru the bio rings and corals in filter # 3.



Regards,
Confused Suresh,


karrunan
Koi Lover

Mar 7, 2007, 2:56 PM

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To tell you very frankly, I am not in the situation to comment on your pond design. I am a amateur myself, trying to learn as it goes.

I actualy built my pond myself with a friend of mine who knows some construction knowledge. It cost me about RM10,000 with all the lightings

Regards,
Suresh


Koi38
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Mar 7, 2007, 3:20 PM

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suresh,

You MUST read this to help understand the water chemistryWink http://www.koiquest.co.uk/filters.htm

The big circle is my piegeoun fountain which sits wright at the centre of the pond on a stand, the water is pushed up and than flows into the pond.
Is the base of this feature actually in the pond?

The half curve is a another small pond within the pond. This is to cater for the fish when I want to clean or wash the big pond in future, I know it is a bit small, but that was the idea.
You shouldn't empty your pond at all unless of course you're dealing with some kind of disease outbreak and you need to nuke the pondTongue If you can still modify your pond and improve water circulation, no need to clean it, that's your filters job. Your jobs are: feed your fish, look after the water and enjoy your koi.

I'll get back you in a day or 2, hopefully I can come up with something to improve your pond with minimal work and costsWink

rgds,
Jon




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Koi38
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Mar 7, 2007, 3:23 PM

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To tell you very frankly, I am not in the situation to comment on your pond design. I am a amateur myself, trying to learn as it goes.

I actualy built my pond myself with a friend of mine who knows some construction knowledge. It cost me about RM10,000 with all the lightings

Regards,
Suresh
Obviously you didn't do your homeworkTongue Let's work on what you have now and we will improve it by help of other sifu membersWink

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karrunan
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Mar 7, 2007, 4:03 PM

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Jon,

Thanks a lot for the support, waht a nice feeling, there is some one out there to help. I totally agree with you, it is the filters job, but in my case I have not set my filtering right.

Yes, the base of the fountain sits on the base of the pond. It is a 40 inch sand stone stand for the pegieon fountain. I will take some photos soon.

I will check on the site you recommended for the water chemistry. Jon, my house is in Subang Jaya, my hp: 019-354 0705, any chance of your details?


Regards,
Suresh


Koi38
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Mar 7, 2007, 6:00 PM

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Suresh,

This is what this hobby is all about "helping each other"Wink Picture speak a thousand words...so pls post it.

I'm from Sydney so you know I cant call you unless it's collect callTongue You should look for local koi club, there should be one close to you. They will be able to help you alot. Check other ponds and get ideas. This will help you gaining hands on experience. Don't worry I will still help you. You can even PM me if you wantSmile

Pls read the article regarding water chemistry. It's for you and your koi's sakeAngelic

rgds,
Jon

PS: Are you willing to remove the fountain thingCrazy

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thiamhwa
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Mar 8, 2007, 1:51 PM

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Hi Suresh,

As mentioned during my tele-conversation with your kind-self yesterday, you may want to consider
adding a 2 to 3 inches extended piping to your 'elbow' overflow outlet water discharge pipe. By doing
so, the overall water level in your gravity-fed pond and filtration chambers will be raise higher and that
will reduce the water flow problem.

Alternatively, you may also introduce a 'T' joint and combine the 2 nos. water circulation pipings to
only 1 no. pump to reduce the water flow rate. That will also save you on the electricity bills in the
long run.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa


karrunan
Koi Lover

Mar 8, 2007, 2:07 PM

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Jon,

What is the effect by the fountain presence? It looks nice being there. Will take the shots this weekend to post it.

Regards,
Suresh


karrunan
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Mar 8, 2007, 2:22 PM

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Mr Thiam,

It was a surprise receiving the call from you, that was very nice of you and please keep in touch. I am going to do exactly what you have recommended me over this weekend. The water quality is getting more greener. As I have read the web site Jon sent to me, I have a very small filter area. According to it, the filter space should be 1/3 of the pond size, I remember you telling me that too.

The water actually needs to go thru the filter system and get treated before it is recycled back into the pond. How am I going to do that in my fltering system?

Regards,
Suresh


thiamhwa
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Mar 8, 2007, 2:58 PM

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Hi Suresh,

Looking at the plan drawings of your pond layout, I am afraid that you will be spending
quite a lot of time busy cleaning the filter medias eventually because your filtration
system did not cater for the basic individual bottom drains connected to a Dry Chamber for
'back flushing' of the waste products daily. On top of that, there is no Settlement chamber
provided for the waste products to settle down and discharge out immediately before it flow
on through to the biological chambers.
Anyway, I think one of the most imp. item to include into your system now is an Air-pump for
oxygen supply to your pond and the filtration chambers. I think an air pump equivalent to the output
of a Hi-blow 80 should be sufficient for your system.
In future, you may also consider adding a Trickle Tower unit or even better if you could have the
Bakki Shower, that would indeed helps to improve your filtration system. In the meanwhile, you
could see those Bakki Shower operating at either the Kepongkoi Specialist Centre or Sentul Park Koi
Center.
Btw, if you are going to introduce a 'T' joint to combine the 2 nos. water circulating pipes together,
you may want to add on the ' Stop Valve' as well to control the amount of water flow through to each
of the distribution pipes.

Best Regards,
thiam Hwa


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Koi38
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Mar 8, 2007, 6:13 PM

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Jon,

What is the effect by the fountain presence? It looks nice being there. Will take the shots this weekend to post it.

Regards,
Suresh
Suresh,

You're getting some good advice from ThiamHwa. He's one of the knowledgeable member of this forumCool

About the fountain, until I see some pics I'm just guessing here. If you can remove the base it will give your koi more room and prevent them bumping to it. Pls post some picsWink

rgds,
Jon

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