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newgen
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Apr 16, 2002, 5:09 AM


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Step of Setting a Pond

Hi! I'm John and i'm a new member here! I'm only 18! I'm a Help College student! Hope all the seniors here will welcome me! Thanks anyway!

OK! NOW! i hope to post out a question, WHAT ARE THE STEPS OF SETTING UP A POND? i mean from planning to digging, and constructing, cleaning, setting up filters(included types of filters and layers of filters), filling up the pond, testing the water pH, ammonia level, freeing up the cute Kois(i think they are all our babies! Right?) I hope someone can solve this question! Sorry about that! Cause I really hope to know! And i'm sure alots of people out there wants to know about the answer too!

And I hope to know the minimal size of the pond that we need to have, for our kois big enough space to swim and grow bigger~!

And roughly how much to pay for the smallest pond setting and included with pump and filters?Unsure

Thanks!Cool Wink


(This post was edited by newgen on Apr 16, 2002, 5:27 AM)


dttk
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Apr 16, 2002, 6:34 AM


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Re: [newgen] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi newgen, welcome to the forum Smile. It's good that you are very enthusiastic about the whole koi thing because you'll need that to read and find out the answers to all the questions about koi keeping. It's too lengthy to describe everything here. So please take a look at the homepage and click on the appropriate link to begin. We'll be happy to assist you if there are any problems along the way Sly. My first question, do you have any experience at all in water management and koi-keeping, say in a FG tank or aquarium? Are you really serious about building a pond? How much space do you have? Hope to get some answers soon Sly.
Always friendly :)



newgen
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Apr 16, 2002, 7:02 AM


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Re: [dttk] Step of Setting a Pond

Thanks for the Help dttk! erm...about water management, i'm keeping some cheap kois in my 4ft aquarium now, but i take very good care of them! they are very active and healthy now! free from sickness and no problem at all! About the water management, i think i'm just a beginner! i don't know how to check the pH of the water, ammonia level of the water, nothing! i only know how to check the chlorine level! to make sure no chlorine in the water, then it will be the 1st thing in the water changing steps! right? and after changing the water i put some salt into the aquarium, about 3% to 5% of the water. and i found 1 thing! putting enough salt into the water, may keep the fish healthy enough!!! its true!!! sometimes even cure sickness!!!CoolSmileWinkLaugh if i'm wrong, then pls correct me!!!!

currently, there's no place in my house to dig a pond but putting a "tangki" maybe is possible! i mean some kind of plastic or fiber "pond" on the floor! and as i'm a student now, no income and my family is not rich at all, maybe sometimes there is difficulty of finding money to pay for my school fees, only sometimes...! but i do like koi very much! i give them the best thing that i can affort to buy! some ppl give thier fish some cheap fish food like...RM3 for 3KG!!!!! what is that!?!?!? i don't think i'll give my kois those food!!! i always look for good food for my kois! spirulina koi food, cost me about, RM20 for 1kg, RM35 for 2KGs, but i think it's worth to give them to have the great meals! and sometimes i even want to look for better food for them! keep on finding! i hope 1 day i can get something special for them! don't worry! i'll tell u all when i get the "special something"Wink

And finally! I need more advices!!!! Thanks!


Mark
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Apr 16, 2002, 7:11 AM


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Re: [newgen] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi and most welcome,

First of all, you need mental and monetary support from the family members. Next is your committment to keep the hobby for the next 3 or more years. If you are not prepared, don't even start it.


newgen
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Apr 16, 2002, 7:25 AM


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Re: [Mark] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi again!

Thanks for the advice Mark!

I've been keeping Kois for about 3 years~! i love kois very much and b4 i keep my own kois, my dad used to keep fishes too! and finally he kept kois 2 years before i keep my own kois. for these years, they are healthy and no sickness.

BUT the sad thing is, i can't grow bigger! Unsure coz of my aquarium is only 4ft! pity kois...i'm very sad coz i can't give them a good place to swim, but they show me that they are happy with all they have! and they cheer me up when i'm sad, while looking at them! that's y i love kois very much, instead of those what "dragon", so fearce, or those flower horns...i only prefer KOIS!!! cause they are the BEST!


johnson lee
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Apr 16, 2002, 9:00 AM


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Re: [newgen] Step of Setting a Pond

SmileHi Newgen

Welcome to the forum! As Dr Tan and Mark have advised, you must be prepared to commit yourself to this hobby once you embark on it, this includes money (to build a pond, buy pumps, filter media, the fishes, food, water testing kit, medication etc.), time, and space.

As you said, a 4ft aquarium is not suited for kois to grow because kois really need lots of space to swim about. If you build a pond too small due to budget constraints then when they grow bigger, you will have problems trying to build a bigger pond for them. So right from the beginning, you must determine what you have in mind.Wink

An average sized pond would be around 8' L x 6' W x 4' D. Do you have the space in your garden? Will your parents allow you to dig up the garden? Assuming you do, you also need to allocate space for the filter chambers. That would take up another 30% of the water surface area of your pond. It can cost you between RM5000-RM10000 just to contruct a pond suitable for kois and that includes bottom drains, piping, electrical wiring, filter chamber etc.

We are not trying to discourage you from embarking on this hobby, but we do not want you to make the same mistakes we made when we started. So take your time, read through the info on this forum. You will have a better idea of things and this will give you a headstart.

Feel free to ask as many questions as you want and we will help whenever possible.

Enjoy!

Rgds

Johnson


dttk
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Apr 16, 2002, 9:01 AM


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Re: [newgen] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi newgen, thanks for the info. Johnson is right. My opinion is if you really can't afford a pond, go for a FG tank. With your parent's blessings and approval, you'd need minimum a fiberglass(FG) tank, measuring at least 3ft width x 6ft length x 2-3 ft depth, although a few of our forum friends have slightly smaller ones. With this, you may keep a few koi only, which should be good enough for you. Try and look around for the FG tank. It comes with a filter box. Used one is cheaper. New one will cost abt RM500. Make sure you have a place for it, not directly under the sun. Hopefully this is a step towards building a pond in the future when you have house with a garden. Cheap koi is still koi and seeing them healthy, happy and growing is a wonderful experience. Koi keeping need not be too expensive if you manage the water well by following some basic rules. That is the most challenging and difficult part of the hobby...Pirate. In the meantime, don't forget to find out as much as you can about koi-keeping from this forum. Cheers...Smile.
Always friendly :)

(This post was edited by dttk on Apr 16, 2002, 9:12 AM)


newgen
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Apr 16, 2002, 9:30 AM


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Re: [dttk] Step of Setting a Pond

Thanks!

Thanks for the infos!!! Jason And DR. Tan! Thanks!!! I'm now looking forward to buy a used FG tank! and i hope my kois won't get angry or upset cause of my condition here!Unsure Its about RM300 cause before you all answer the questions...i drove out to search for it already! cause i can't wait to free my kois up into a bigger space!

And Dr. Tan is right! cheap kois are also kois, and i still love them! maybe they are all mixed up and the colors are not really as nice as those good kois but they just looked the same!

About the water management, I CAN HANDLE IT! no problem about algea, fungus, spots on the fish...i've keep those same 7 kois, nothing happend on them! nothing at all! ekekeke...cheers~i'm proud of myself sometimes, not to say bullshiting...but it's real! =řSlyCoolSmileWinkTongueBlush

Really hope that i manage to get a used FG tank!

Cheers!!!!!!

Newgen

=> John


mattloui
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Apr 16, 2002, 9:35 AM


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hi newgen

Glad to note of another enthusiatic koi-admirers who shares the wonderful feeling of witnessing these beauriful kois. But as advised, being over enthusiatic can also bring much grief and sorrows. Unless you master the filtering system and water quality, there will much dissappointment to come as your beloved kois die one by one. I have learned this the hard way by rearing all sorts of fishes, ie goldfish, frontosa,chiclids, etc.until i started to rear kois for a change and realise that the filtering system is a must know before you even venture further. I started rearing 9 kois in an 4 feet aquarium about 2 years ago and much to my surprise all of them died together even though the water was clear and looked good. I gave up and started black cidchilds which lasted another 2 years and subsequently died one by one becos' i was busy and did not change the water for 3 months.(note : filter was only cotton wool). I rekindled my interest on kois this year when I was told that kois actually bring good fortune and since this year has been forecasted as not so good for me i took up the "challenge" again. This time i was lucky as somebody who knows nothing about koi mentioned to me that the secret of sucessful koi rearing is in the filter system which ultimately bring about good water quality. Since then i have never been happier when my filter kicks in. And mind you, I have learned almost everything about koi rearing from the internet and especially this forum. So browse thr' and you may never have to regret again should your beloved starts to "leave" you for a different world( God knows where). Then again even after mastery of everything, once in a while you may be sad as one or two die with no apparent reason. I have just lost two beautiful kois which i loved so much. So be prepared if you want to take up this seriously and it is a commitment you must keep for your kois sake as well as your happiness.

happy koi rearing and good to have you around despite your tender age
CHEERS


newgen
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Apr 16, 2002, 10:08 AM


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Re: [mattloui] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi mattloui,

I was surprised that you said that, "good to have you around despite your tender age". Unfortunately, that's not true, my tender age was 5 years ago ! Itís a long time ago. =)

And I always do things on my way. Sometimes I discover something about the filter, that sometimes I can't even tell the others, HOW IT REALLY WORKS? HOW COME IT WILL BE LIKE THIS? Are these questions similar to you all? YES! Of cause! As we, normal people, we ask these questions to our self almost everyday! Or even more than 10 times a day! Right Dr. Tan? Wink

As I'm keeping my kois in a 4ft aquarium as mentioned, Iím using a Fluva NO.4 filter and another water pump to pump water up to a small box-filter on the aquarium. And in the small box-filter. Can you imagine, my aquarium is outside the house, half of the aquarium is directly shined by sun shine, and the water tempreture is perfect, not too cold, not too hot, about 25C to 29C(sometimes. But, not too hot right?)

And in the condition up there, sure got tick layer of algea growing up, right? BUT NOT IN MY AQUARIUM! There has only slightly little algea growing at the coners of my aquarium, thats it!

That's why i said that sometimes i can't tell what it's going on, why no algea?crazy right? maybe the box-filter works perfectly! but it's a normal filter and I just put in different things into it.


TonyG
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Apr 16, 2002, 12:11 PM


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Re: [newgen] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi

Newgen means new generation (I suppose). Wink I tends to agree with what the members mention here. Koi rearing is a commitment which from what i've read, i think you do have one. I would suggest that once you got the FG, treat it as another ball game together.

Built the filter as what the forum has advise, transfer some of you media from your old filter to the new one to kick start it. I would not recommend that you transfer all your kois into the tank at one go. Keep your aquarium first until your new FG tank is mature. What you can do is put in one or two of your kois into the tank as a tester and monitor the water parameters for 2 to 3 weeks. Once your water register zero NH4 and NO2, put in another 2 kois and monitor the water again and so on. This is to ensure that you don't stress out the filter which can bring in adverse effect.

You have to check you parameters, no way out. I understand that you have no problem with your current setup but remember that it doesn't always work on other pond. It is better to be safe than sorry right?

Having said all this, i'm sure you will have a bunch of beautiful kois once you get it right. Good luck and Happy Koi-ing Smile

Tony


newgen
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Apr 16, 2002, 2:19 PM


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Re: [TonyG] Step of Setting a Pond

Thanks Tony!

Yup! you're right! Newgen means new generation!

But the bad news is, i think i'll have to wait till i have enough money to buy the FG tank! sad... Thanks anyway!!!

But i really learn alot of things here! Great to chat here! Anyone willing to be my buddies?!!? ekekeke

My ICQ number is: 34002019

add me if you have one!
TongueCool



Thanks!!!!!
JOHN


SMW1
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Apr 16, 2002, 3:54 PM


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Hi John ,

Just out of interest, what country are you from ? I am in the UK.

The reason I ask is that I am curently building a new 25,000 gal pond. Once this is complete my old pond will be redundant. I will have quite a few bits that can be used as a start kit including enough pond liner (3 ply) to hold 11.5 tonnes of water. I am willing to dontae them free of charge, just to encourage people like yourself to get into this great hobby. I believe that the people on this forum are like one big happy family. Eveyone has helped me, and I will go out of my way to help eveyone else.

These days on the front of all koi magazines in UK, all I see is pictures of old men in their late 50's with pictures of their ponds. I say start young, learn along the way. I'm 28 and have been interested in koi for about 15 years. I Helped my dad with his pond up until 6 years ago when I got my own place and started my own koi paradise.

Good luck John.

P.S. will add to buddy list.

Stuart


newgen
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Apr 16, 2002, 5:07 PM


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Thanks! Buddy Stuart!

Thanks for your offer, but i think it will be inposible for me to get your free gifts, cause i'm living in Malaysia...Thanks anyway!

I can't manage to get your gifts but...i'm happy too! cause you're willing to help me! Smile

By the way, anyone selling used FG tank? about 6"x4"x4? and with a very cheap price?

Thanks!

John


mattloui
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Apr 16, 2002, 5:53 PM


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hi newgen(John?)

I Hope my passing remark on the tender age did not offend u too much. Actually i meant it as a compliment and my apologies if u feel otherwise. No offence whatsoever intended.Cool

So you are Malaysian.Smile Well I am too and I live in KL. If u ever desire to purchase good quality kois but at a reasonable price, I would like to introduce u to the fish shop which i patronise in Robson Heights KL. I purchased some beautiful Sanke (about 4-6 inches) at a price of RM 30 per koi which is considered reasonable as compared to the two same size kohakus i purchased in Taman Desa( a renowned place for koi) at a price of RM 100 per fish.

the shop in Robson Heights has a shop front of all other fishes whilst the kois are all located at the back of the shop.There are some reasonbly nice kois here which will be an excellant start for beginners like me and maybe u. Never buy too expensive, less u feel frustrated if these kois "goes Off". Having said these, I would also not advise that u buy those RM 5 per fish type as u may lose interest in them after u learn more about koi and the many types of koi. Go to the webs recommended in this forum and u will realise that koi rearing for the real pro runs hundreds of thousands in terms of pond const. and koi quality. Soon u will like to purchase the real thing.Blush In the mean time, buy small but beautiful koi where u can't get your eyes off her beautiful body and when she grows u will love her ever moreSlySlySly.

koi lover
CHEERS


newgen
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Apr 17, 2002, 1:43 AM


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Re: [mattloui] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi Mattloui,

Yes! I'm John~! Smile anyway, you don't need to appologize, it's just ok! Cool

Don't Worry! Tongue And thanks for the advices! but where is Robson Heights? Is it that the "TIAN HOU GONG" the Tian Hou Temple there? Please let me know! i would like to go for a look although i'm not planning to buy any of them yet coz recently just not much cash with me~Laughekeke, just changed my tyres!Mad

Anyway! Really thanks for the advice!

Thanks!!!!!!

John(Newgen)


johnson lee
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Apr 17, 2002, 5:28 AM


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Re: [SMW1] Step of Setting a Pond

SmileHi Stuart

Its nice to know that you are willing to donate the used items from your previous pond to newbies!Cool I am glad we have generous members like you in our forum.

May you have even more success with your new pond and my wish is that you will grow beautiful kois to the envy of others in UK! Keep us updated on your pond construction and pls post some good pics for all of us to enjoy.Wink

Rgds

Johnson


Mark
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Apr 17, 2002, 6:35 AM


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Re: [johnson lee] Step of Setting a Pond

See, you are welcome by all. Come back to the fourm with question if there is any about your pond and your fish.

Good luck.


mattloui
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Apr 17, 2002, 1:20 PM


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Hi John

yes The shop is near Tian Hou Gong at the junction of the road leading to the Le Catheau Condo and lingkaran Syed Putra

Good luck on koi hunting
CHEERS


newgen
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Apr 18, 2002, 9:31 AM


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Re: Step of Setting a Pond

Thanks everyone!!!!!!!!!

I'm really happy to be here! this is really KOI'S HEAVEN!

I love this place!

Really thanks for all the help!

Anyway, anyone selling used FG tanks?



Thanks!
JOHN


cwloo
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Apr 18, 2002, 9:59 AM


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I saw a new Koi farm (shop) near kepong (Malaysia) .. I follow the sign board but didnt manage to locate the farm.. Anyone went there before ?


newgen
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Apr 18, 2002, 10:01 AM


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Ya!!!!!! me!!!!!
is it the sign got 1 white/red koi?!?!?!?

right?!?!?!


cwloo
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Apr 18, 2002, 10:34 AM


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In Reply To
Ya!!!!!! me!!!!!
is it the sign got 1 white/red koi?!?!?!?

right?!?!?!

yes, anything great there ? Like Koi etc ?


newgen
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Apr 18, 2002, 3:17 PM


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Re: [cwloo] Step of Setting a Pond

The kois there, hmm...i went there about 2 months ago~ that was nice! not much kois there, but they have nice kois! and i saw the butterfly koi there! that was my 1st time! and then tanko(am i right? the fish with 1 red spot on the head?) too! hope hope i can go there again, i hope i can see more things and kois there!



John


doitsu
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Apr 18, 2002, 4:06 PM


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Re: [newgen] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi new gen,

I'm 21 and also in HELP and I thought I was in the youngest person in the whole wide world to be interested in this crazy hobby. Thought wrong man.
My new pond was completed just a month ago and really thank goodness that I really read up about koi filter before going into this.

So, hope you enjoy your kois... my amateur advice is to get the really good ones, if not you will end up wasting pellets, time and water. CheerioLaugh


newgen
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Apr 19, 2002, 5:51 AM


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Re: [doitsu] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi Doitsu!

Yeap! i'm 18! akakaka...where r u living? wanna meet someday after class?

Not at all! you are very wrong! i'm not wasting pallets! anyway, i'm learning alot of things and knowledge from the cheap once! they are fish too! and KOIS!!! CoolSmileWinkTongue

Best of luck!

John


johnson lee
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Apr 19, 2002, 5:52 AM


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Re: [doitsu] Step of Setting a Pond

SmileHi doitsu and newgen (John)

It is heartening to see younger people taking up this hobby!Wink I myself only started on this hobby about 1 yr ago and I am thankful for being spared much more heartache after reading up all the material in this forum.Cool From here, I found other websites Coolgiving additional info on health, diseases, medication etc.

So what I am trying to say is that rearing kois can be a lifelong hobby and there will also be ups and downs as well. What is important is not giving up after a 'disaster' occurs and some or all of your beloved kois dies. If one is committed to this, then we must keep trying until we succeed.

By the way John, the koi you mentioned is called a tancho (named after a Japanese crane with the same red colour and pattern). Doitsu, I would disagree with you regarding getting the really good kois in the beginning. I believe you mean, getting the more expensive ones right, like Japanese kois? When you start off, chances of making mistakes are high and you might kill some of the fishes. So it is better to start with less expensive kois, learn how to maintain the water quality and once you are more confident and perhaps more knowledgable, then you can safely embark on buying better and more expensive kois.

This is not to discourage but hopefully you can learn something from the mistakes we ourselves made in the past. Happy koi-keeping!Sly

Rgds

Johnson


newgen
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Apr 19, 2002, 6:07 AM


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Thanks Johnson Lee! Now i know they are called TANCHO! THEY ARE CUTE! ekekkee....

And i love this hobby! i really hope that i will have a pond for my fish...coz now i'm keeping them in aquaerium! really sorry to my beloved kois!!!!!!! PirateUnsure

Thanks everyone!


JOHN


newgen
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Apr 19, 2002, 6:18 AM


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Oh Johnson!

Really glad that you hooked up with this really GOOD hobby! It's good to keep kois! and anyway! its not too late to do it! maybe it was too earlt for me i think! i started keeping kois when i was only 13(5 years ago)!

i got about 18 kois and they died 1 after another, and when i was 14, i finally know how to keep them well and healthy! i was very happy! Cool but i left 7 of them! and i keep them well until now! they are very healthy and cute! I LOVE THEM!!!!!Blush ahahahaha~!

I'm glad that they are alive!

John


johnson lee
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Apr 19, 2002, 7:05 AM


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Hi John

I'm happy for you and wish you well. But always remember, the secret of keeping good healthy looking kois is to maintain good water quality! do water test regularly and I assure you, you will have many many good years of enjoyment!

Rgds

JohnsonCoolSmile


newgen
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Apr 19, 2002, 10:24 AM


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Erm.....but....Johnson! I don't know how to do water test one ar!
FrownCrazyUnsure

I really don't know! I just do it naturally and uses my "six sence"Tongue ekekeke.....

Anyway, ANYONE CAN TEACH ME HOW TO DO IT??? AND WHERE TO BUY THOSE LIQUED, PAPER OR WHATEVER TO TEST THE WATER?

PLS HELP ME!!!!!

THANKS!

John


johnson lee
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Apr 19, 2002, 11:08 AM


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SmileHi John

Basically you can get the water test kit from any respectable aquarium shop. Tell them you want to buy ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and KH test kits. Each cost around RM25-35.

If you are near Damansara Utama, I can recommend you to this shop called Aquarium Marine Fresh S/B. I go there very often to buy my supplies and they provide friendly service and prices are reasonable as well.

The address: 52, JlnSS21/62, Damansara Utama. Go look for Tony, Susan or Victor and mention my name and they will help you and also give you discount!Wink

Once you get hold of the test kit, just read the instructions, they are simple. I normally get the tetra kit. There are also other brands like Azoo etc. Its really up to your budget.

Rgds

Johnson


KevKoi
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Apr 19, 2002, 11:55 AM


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Re: [johnson lee] Step of Setting a Pond

HAve to agree with Johnson, u gotta get your test kits. U probably have to start with the basic 2 should you not be able to afford all of 'em at the same time. Start off with Ammonia and Nitrite. I use Azoo, and they're easy. Just take 5cc of water from you tank, put one tiny spoon (spoon provided) of the crystal into the water in the little vial (also provided), shake well, sit for a few minutes and check the colour to the colour chart (also provided!). If your water is as good as it is suppose to be, there should be no colour. After that, get a pH tester.... followed by the rest.

To be quite honest, 7 kois in a 4 foot aquarium is really pushing it..... and you say you've had them for a couple of years?

What I think doitsu meant in only keeping 'expensive' kois is that it's different keeping trully Japanese kois compared to the locally bred kois we get in M'sia. U don't have to buy the kois in their thousands of dollars to tell the difference. I guess what I'm saying is when you get your fiberglass tank, save up some money and spend it on a jap koi. If your water conditions are good, and you feed with good food u'll see it grow a WHOLE LOT FASTER than your locals. I've had 20cm kois bought at about RM180 grow to 450-500cm in a year. I guess the satisfaction is in that you see your fish GROW with all that expensive food you put in.

Good luck..... oh, and I started keeping local koi at 12yrs of age when my family bought a house with an indoor pond (see pic in members ponds), Japanese kois happened at 20yrs of age, never looked back and now my family has a 45000L pond in the garden. My parents think I'm nuts, my girlfriend thinks I'm nuts, my friends think I'm nuts.... and they're rite. Crazy LOL.

SlySly kev


johnson lee
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Apr 19, 2002, 12:04 PM


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Re: [KevKoi] Step of Setting a Pond

Don't worry Kev. If there is any comfort to you, I would think that most of us are 'nuts' too!Smile We spend most of our spare time fussing and fretting over the health of the kois, we can sit in front of the pond for hours just gazing at them swimming lazily in the water and we talk about koi all day long etc.WinkCoolSmile

We even spend time at this forum still talking about koi, in this case for a good cause, trying to help others to be a nut!Smile

I am proud to be called a koi-nutter!!Sly

Johnson


mattloui
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Apr 21, 2002, 7:27 AM


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Hi friends

After reading all the comments and the invaluable experiences from all of u, i would like to comment and seek advise on some issues:-

1) water tests apparatus

there are easily 6 to7 tests apparatus with each costing appro. RM 30 will amount to a total of RM 180 to RM 200. I could have got a beautiful kohaku or Sanke for this price.Cool So far i have only got two . Ammonia test is considered crucial cos' without it, the filter is not working. And if the filter is working, won't nitrites be ultimately be removed too; then is it necessary to test nitrites here??. For nitrates, if I have put money plant and some water plants in the pond; won't the nitrates be removed too.?? CrazyCooltherefore it is necessary to test for nitrites and nitrates if i have already tested for ammonia???TongueTongue Will appreciate some good advise here.Frown

Next, i have bought ph test just to determine the ph. But now with corals chips; is it still necessary to constantly test for Ph or Hardness.???Frown

not so much for money BUT i really would like to enjoy my kois w/o subjecting myself to constant testing of water when the kois do not show any signs of unhealthiness. Unsure

PL ADVISE WHETHER MY ASSUMPTION IS CORRECT. I AM PREPARED TO DO MORE IF I HAVE TO.Unimpressed

2) EXPENSIVE VIS-VIS CHEAP KOIS

Just for mention, a 20 cm koi at taman desa which i believe is imported from Japan costs RM 1,200 whereas a 20 cm relatively nice sanke costs RM 200 in Robson heights. What a world of difference OR is it really so. I don't know!!! MadMadBut what is important here is whether u like what u see. SO, just compromise and get something in-between and buy reasonble nice koi at reasonble price. Earlier in this forum, i have mentioned to newgen not to buy the RM 5 per fish cos' I reckon the appreciation of koi will very much be enhanced if the kois are reasonbly nice ones to maintain the "fire" going. Well, i guess it is a matter of choice.Pirate

3) NUTS or not NUTS for kois lovers

Well, anybody can call u nuts for spending so much time on something which do not even say Thank YOu after your sacrifices. Considered it as "vice" and this Vice will beats womanising, drinking alcohol, gambling,estacy and etc.Mad

I am also a music and movie freak, and i have easily 500-600 cd/vcds at home. Am i a music/movie NUT. LaughIf I am, then my Boss in the office is a worst NUT Piratecos he has a collection of 4000 cds and my GM is also a nut cos he has 3000 cds.Pirate

ENOUGH SAID, WHAT DO U THINK OF ITEM 2 AND 3.

BYE FOR NOW.
CHEERS


SMW1
Veteran

Apr 21, 2002, 11:37 AM


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Re: [mattloui] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi Mattloui,

I know that water testing kits are expensive and you are probably right that you caould have bought a nice Sanke for that price, however I can not strees enough how important the test kits are. You may have been able to buy a Sanke instead of the test kits, but if you bought that sanke, it along with our other koi have no chance, if you don't see th enitrite rising or PH crashing in advance. It's better to buy them now, then to have to rush out later, when you koi are jumping, flashing or laying at the bottom not eating.

Anyway answers to your questions:

1) Ok, Ammonia and PH, that's a good start. I would advise getting Nitrate and Nitrite as well. These 4 ar the most important ones, you will need. KH, Salinity, chlorine etc come later. Yes you are correct, Ammonia and Nitrites are th emost toxic to koi. These levels will be kept to a minimum by a good bio filter. It will stillbe necessary to test for Nitrites and Nitrate if you have tested water. If you have a level of 0.1 ammonia, you may not see a great difference in the Nitrite, however the nitrate could be anything. You are also correct in assuming plants will get rid of nitrates. Plants work very well as a vegi filter, along with a trickle tower this is the most effective way to reduce Nitrates. However, plants will do a better job in the stream or filter chamber, with water passing through them constantly, than in the pond. Coral chips will buffer PH, but will not control it.

As for constantly checking the water, I only check my water once a month and record the data, Iwill also check the water when something doesn't look quite right. i.e. 2 days ago, one of my ogon's flashed, so I check the water params, they were fine, so I took a scape of the ish and found samples of both Gyrodactylus (skin flukes) and Trichodina.

2) I would agree and disagree, I agree that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so if you like a koi and you think it's well worth the money, then it is cheap. I can not comment any mor on the pricing of koi and in th eUK, we have a differne tpricing system. i.e. everythink is so dam expensive Mad.

do not agree that newgen should not start with cheap koi. I can't remember if Newgen is new to the hobby or not (I'm talking practical experience here). If he is then I would sugest keeping cheap tester koi, just to get a feel for it. It's very hard if you see expensive koi you like to resist. But only time will tell how much you have learnt.

3) Spending timewith the koi, spending time with other peoples koi (in this forum), vistiting koi web pages, take drives at the weekend to visit koi farms and aquarium shops, with no intention of buying anything. I think koi kichi sums it up.Cool.

Also my koi say thank you in their own speacial way. I nettig a platinum Ogon a few days ok, put him in a display bowl for 30 mins, lifted him out, by hand a few times for detailed checks and a scape. Left him in the bowl (29", bowl not koi), while I check the results. When I release him back in the the pond, I decided to sit in my normal place which tells my koi its feeding time. And guess who was the first one up before I even threw and food in ?. Yes he was, as if to say, "Thanks for testing me for desiese, now that you have found what was causing me trouble, I'm sure you will fix it. Also while I am here can I have some food for being such a good patient ?"

I hope this ansers your question an also proves that we are all NUTS Crazy

Stuart


newgen
User


Apr 21, 2002, 3:50 PM


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Re: [SMW1] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi eveyone!

Actually, i fell that, cheap or expensive, real or not real, is not important to me! TongueSmileCool as long as, THEY ARE KOIS! maybe you all won't understand my situation now...Cool it's ok~

Stuart said, "I can't remember if Newgen is new to the hobby or not (I'm talking practical experience here)"

actually, i don't dare to say that i'm an expert or something like that, but i must admit that, I"M LEARNING GUYS! Cool and maybe i can say that i'm a person above beginner Wink, maybe~? who knows? no one is perfect right?

I don't care if they are cheap, i just wanna keep them! thats all!



Crazy me, right?

John


doitsu
Novice

Apr 22, 2002, 8:38 PM


Views: 29582
Re: [mattloui] Step of Setting a Pond

Hi mattloui, Johnson, new gen, and Mark,

Yes, new gen, I think there are certain restrains you face that restricts you from buying Japanese kois. But rear what is within your limits until you can afford better ones.

Oh yes Johnson, thanks for the teaching about cheaper kois first. I do agree, but when my pond was completed the urge to fill it up with beautiful kois was just irresistable.
But I thank God that out of my first batch of 17 Japanese kois, only one died, my Asagi. But it is not due to bad water parameters, but it got through the netting in to the pump... yikes... it got beheaded!
The other 16 are still alive and they are the most active kois I've ever seen.

Yes, mattloui, I do agree with you. I also just test for Ammonia and ph as advised by my dealer. However, no offense to Mark. He has a point. Well, I just say that he has that extra care for his precious kois.

EErrr, I can't remeber who was the one that said the the Taman Desa dealer sells one for RM 1200 and Robson heights sells one for RM 100 -200. I think you are not too clear, though you may be right. Some varieties go for RM 1200 like their Shiro Utsuri. But their others are not to expensive. I bought my 30-inch Yamabuki Hariwake for RM 300. So, I guess some varieties are that expensive and some are not. I also think it depends on the farm they came from. For example, I got my kohaku's from a reputable farm (according to the dealer) which cost RM 350 ++ for a small 8-inch kohaku.

Thanks guys for adding more hipe in me in this crazy hobby! I love reading your comments and stories. Keep it up guys.LaughLaughLaughSly


ChengAun
Novice


Nov 20, 2010, 4:21 PM


Views: 9280
Re: [mattloui] Step of Setting a Pond

hey! i go that same shop i think! is it the one with arowanas and other fish in the fron and 2 koi ponds at the back? Thats called Syarikat Lam Aquarium SDN BHD. been goin there for 5 years +





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