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koihaku
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May 16, 2002, 6:55 PM

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If u have a turbo cleaner, could u tell me if it is any good? i could use one for my current pond, just to make the water totally crystal clear.

I dont really believe its as good as it says it is. To me it just dosent look capable of doing the job.

Comments please

JonWink


SMW1
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May 16, 2002, 10:44 PM

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Hi,

I have a turbo cleaner running on my 3000 gal pond.

I have the G65 8,000 gal one (the big one). My water was quite clear when I got it, I could see the bottom of the pond 5' below the surface, but at the bottom I could just see the outline of the bright colour koi. Once I fitted the turbo cleaner I saw a change in the water literally over night. The water looked softer if you know what I mean, there was no foam or bubbles on the surface and I could even see the black koi on the bottom of the pond. After about a week the water was crystal and I mean crystal clear, I could read the writing on my Auqamaster pump and even see each little fold in my liner.

I would reccomend a turbo cleaner to anyone with a koi pond.

And before you ask, No, I do not have shares in Feebie (company that make turbo cleaners) SlySly.

I believe Dr Tan also has a G65

Stuart



lptong
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May 17, 2002, 5:34 AM

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good day to everyone. i read with great interest on the G65 turbo cleaner as describe by Stuart. i like to have one for my +2000gal pond. can any one tell me where i can get one in Malaysia or specifically in Penang? although my pond is clean and clear, i thought i would like it better. how much does it cost here in Malaysia? would appreciate if anyone can help.
thank you and cheers


koihaku
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May 17, 2002, 8:14 AM

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Ok, thank u stuart, i am very relieved now, Ill buy the turbo cleaner as quickly as i can get my hands on one.

Thanks

JonTongue


SMW1
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May 17, 2002, 9:41 AM

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Hi,

I'm not sure about the price in Malaysia.



Here in UK, the big one, G65 8,000 gal is 300 the small G20 2,000 gal is 200.

However you may as well go for the G65 for the extra money.

I would estimate at the current exchange rate (1 = 5.53RM) you are looking at about 1659RM for the G65 and 1106RM for the G20.

Stuart


lptong
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May 17, 2002, 9:51 AM

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Thanks Stuart, guess i had to look around if i can get it in Malaysia. anyone else in this forum knows where i can get one here? would appreciate and give me the contact number too.
cheers


Arcen
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May 17, 2002, 2:22 PM

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Smile Hi Stuart, How are you? Long time no speak! I've been a bit busy in the garden (WATCHING MY KOI BASICALLYSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile) With regards to the turbo cleaners,,,,,,,, I have read much about these on another Koi BB site.Apparently the smaller one is actually more than capable of stripping the DOC from much bigger ponds than what the makers say it will do!!!! Crazy One member on that particular BB actually brought the big one and the smaller version.She swears by the smaller version...

At the end of the day,the smaller one will strip DOC no matter what...So for a saving of approx 100 you're much better off with the smaller version!! Unless of course you have many thousands of gallons of water.Please don't think I'm trying too say you are wrong,just letting you and others know what I read about!! SmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

Be good.Catch you later. Best wishes. COLINCoolCoolCoolCoolCoolCoolCool


patrick123
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May 17, 2002, 2:41 PM

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Stuart,

If I understand correctly, the Turbo Cleaner is basically a protein skimmer to remove the protein and urine content in the water. As a result of this action, the water is a lot cleaner and clearer.

The question is, what is the negative effect if cannot afford a protein skimmer? Other than the water is not so crystal clear, will it affect the health of the fish assuming all the mechanical, biological and TT are working perfectly?

Thanks,
Patrick


SMW1
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May 17, 2002, 4:44 PM

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Hi Colin / Patrick,

The Protien skimmer is just an add on to your existing filter and shoul dnot replace the biological filter you already have.

I would say its just the clarity of the water that is eefected and a slight descrease in ewater levels (param's not water in general).

Stuart


patrick123
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May 20, 2002, 12:56 PM

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Stuart,

Since I'm planning to build a pond, is there anyway to embed the Turbo Cleaner into the filter chamber instead of on top of the pond? If yes, how to do it and where should I put? Does it require filtered water from the last chamber?

What is the size of it?

Thanks,
Patrick


SMW1
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May 20, 2002, 1:28 PM

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Hi Patrick,

To embed the turbo cleaner into the filter chamber would be very difficult.

It is designed to be positioned above the water surface. The inlet is designed to be pumped to, and the outlet is at the bottom and design to flow from (if you know what I mean).

I can not see anyway of incoprperating this into the chambers. It can be though of like trickle tower. Water pumped to it and natural flow out of it.

You also need a waste outlet from this cleaner. The burst bubble cells creates a drip effect that needs to be discharged.



Turbo Cleaner G65: Dia 39cm, Height=47cm
Maximum pond volume Approx' 8000 gallons 40,000L
4m flexible supply hose included
Supply hose: Dia 32mm
Discharge Hose: Dia 50mm


Hope this helps

Stuart


patrick123
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May 20, 2002, 1:34 PM

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Stuart,

Wow...that was very quick response. ShockedShocked

Does it come with a pump? Do you draw water from the last chamber? Can it be surface skimming?

Thanks,
Patrick


SMW1
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May 20, 2002, 5:04 PM

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Hi Patrick,

Ideally it would be draw from the last chamber, however it can if required be draw straight from the pond itself.

When you say, can it be surface skimmer, what exactly do you mean by this ?.

Stuart


patrick123
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May 21, 2002, 6:19 AM

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Stuart,

This might be a stupid question. During my marine fish keeping days, I've learned that protein is usually floating on/near the surface of the water. By skimming the surface of the water to a protein extractor (protein skimmer), you can remove the protein in the water most effectively. Is this the case for freshwater?

Thanks,
Patrick


SMW1
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May 21, 2002, 8:57 AM

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Hi,

Due to the nature of Koi and the ponds we put them in, the water has allot more movement. So the fact that the protien is at the top of the water is not always true. However in a natural dead water situation this would be the case.

I personally pump water form the bttom of the pond to the Turbo cleaner, however I woul dimagine it woul dbe more effective bu pumping water from a surface skimmer inlet. The desision rests with you, however both methods are very efffective.

Can I also stress that the G20 and G65 Turbo cleaners shoul dnot be confused with any other bio protien skimmers. Although the principle is the same, the design is slighlty different as no media is required within the cleaner.

Stuart


dttk
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May 21, 2002, 10:28 AM

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Hi PT, yes I have a febi-TurboCleaner G 65 running in my pond, as mentioned by Stuart. My water is crystal clear but I do not know if that is attributed to the febi alone or to the filter media in the chambers...Crazy. The local dealer is LINTREX (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD, Lot 19345 & 6, Tmn. Perindustrian Selayang, Batu 8 1/2, Jalan Ipoh, 68100 Batu Caves, Selangor. Tel: 03-618 8888. Pls check for new 8-digit number. Smile
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lptong
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May 21, 2002, 5:21 PM

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Hi TK, thanks for the info, i will check up with them. will keep you posted.


SMW1
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May 22, 2002, 12:26 AM

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Hi,

Just out of interest have you ever tried turning this off, just to see if it makes any difference over a period of say 2 weeks. I may try this to see how much it is actually doing.

I'll do a test once one of my bio filters wakes up again and starts clearing the water a little more. (It took a bit of a knock while cleaning)

Stuart


(This post was edited by SMW1 on May 22, 2002, 12:27 AM)


dttk
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May 22, 2002, 6:16 AM

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Nope Stuart, haven't tried that yet....Smile.
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SMW1
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May 22, 2002, 9:08 AM

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OK, since my new pond will be ready in a few months, I wil give it a shot in the next two weeks and post results here. May even take some pictures of with and without, if the difference is clearly defined in photography.

Stuart


taho
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May 22, 2002, 5:19 PM

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Greeting guys,

Can anyone tell me how much it cost in malaysia? I just chk out the price in Singapore, it cost S$750 n S$1400 respectively. Sometime I do travel to malaysia, so if it is cheaper i can save a few hundred bucks and get myself another kohaku.


SMW1
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May 22, 2002, 6:59 PM

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Hi PT, yes I have a febi-TurboCleaner G 65 running in my pond, as mentioned by Stuart. My water is crystal clear but I do not know if that is attributed to the febi alone or to the filter media in the chambers...Crazy. The local dealer is LINTREX (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD, Lot 19345 & 6, Tmn. Perindustrian Selayang, Batu 8 1/2, Jalan Ipoh, 68100 Batu Caves, Selangor. Tel: 03-618 8888. Pls check for new 8-digit number. Smile



koihaku
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May 22, 2002, 7:14 PM

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Good idea about the test smwCool

Please do it, as im sure many of us want to know how much it really doesSly

JonTongue


jsoon
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Jul 3, 2002, 7:31 PM

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Can Turbo cleaner be incoporate together with FG tank ? I can put it on top of the last chamber.


jitwee
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Jul 5, 2002, 8:16 PM

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Hi taho,can you please tell me where can i get the Tubro Cleaner in Singaopre.Thanks.


SMW1
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Jul 5, 2002, 9:48 PM

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You can put the turbo cleaner anywhere above the water level of the pond.

The unit requires an additional pump to power it. I would advise a 2000 gph (9000 litres) for the G65 and 750gph for the G20.


jsoon
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Jul 7, 2002, 6:39 PM

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You can put the turbo cleaner anywhere above the water level of the pond.

The unit requires an additional pump to power it. I would advise a 2000 gph (9000 litres) for the G65 and 750gph for the G20.


Hi,

Thank you for your reply.

How much did you pay for it ? When I saw the unit, it is all made of plastic and I could not understand why we are paying such a hugh price for it.

Accordingly, to the shop who sold me the unit, he said that you can connect it to the pump from the last camber of the bio-filter. Is this possible ?


dttk
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Jul 8, 2002, 9:31 AM

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Hi Jsoon, I paid about RM1.9k for the TurboCleaner G65. Yes, you could connect an outlet from the pump in the last chamber to the TurboCleaner.Smile
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jitwee
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Jul 9, 2002, 11:48 AM

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Recently there is a offer for the smaller version of the turbo cleaner S$450. I thought of adding it to my existing filter system but not sure if there is a need cos my tank is about 2000 litres.The only reason i can give is that my tank is over stock. Therefore i need you people to advise me.Thanks.


jsoon
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Jul 9, 2002, 8:32 PM

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Jitwee,

Can you email me before you buy. Email is:

js73132@yahoo.com.sg


dttk
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Jul 10, 2002, 4:50 AM

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Jitwee, for overstocked tank, it is better to increase the biomedia and one of the ways is to install a TT, not a protein skimmer like the TurboCleaner. Smile
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jitwee
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Jul 10, 2002, 9:11 AM

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Is TT a trickle system? It reduces nitrate NO3 and increase the oxygen level,correct me if i'm wrongBlushBlushSmile.


dttk
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Jul 10, 2002, 9:19 AM

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Yes, TT is Trickle Tower. It is like a biofilter. The good bugs removes the nitrates. It also aerates the water. Smile
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jsoon
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Jul 10, 2002, 1:01 PM

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SWM,

I tried the power rating you post on the net for Turbo Cleaner and it seems that it is not powerful enough. I believed we have to increase the hp for Turbo Cleaner


(This post was edited by jsoon on Jul 10, 2002, 1:03 PM)


jsoon
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Jul 10, 2002, 9:01 PM

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My testimony is that after the TC running in my small FG after a few hours, the kois are very active.

BTW, guys, is there anyway to reduce the sound from the venturi systtem in the TC ? My tank is near my bedroom.


dttk
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Jul 11, 2002, 5:55 AM

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Jsoon, ah...so I see you have got yourself a TurboCleaner already...Wink. Yup, have to agree that the "sizzling" sound does become irritating after awhile especially if placed indoors, whats more if it's near your bedroom....Laugh. I'm afraid there's no way to make that sound disappear...Unsure. The koi are more active probably because the water is well aerated by the TC. The good thing is your water will be more pure and contain less dissolved organic proteins, clear and foamless. Cool
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patrick123
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Jul 11, 2002, 7:55 PM

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jsoon,

Where in Singapore did you buy your TC? If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for it?

Thanks,
Patrick


jsoon
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Jul 11, 2002, 8:11 PM

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Hi,

I bought it from a Koi shop which the owner is closing down his shop. However, if you are interested, please contact me. I am thinking otherwise of my TC and may sell at cheaper than my purchase price.

The TC is working fine and I can testify to that. My Kois are very very much happier because of the rich oxygen pump by the TC even better than the air pump I put. However, it is better use if your pond has a drain pipe where the slump can be drain into it unless you do not mind to put a pail below the slump outlet and throw away the water. I cannot afford to do it everyday as my job requires me to travel and I am afraid that the slump may overflow.

Secondly, there is a rumbling sound created when the water is mixed with the venturi system beating into the TC. My pond is near the bedroom and I am affected by it. However, if your pond is at a distance, it is ok.


patrick123
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Jul 14, 2002, 9:01 PM

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jsoon,

Did send email to you but got no response. Don't know if you got my email. Please email to me at "pchng@lucent.com"

Thanks,
Patrick


jsoon
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Jul 14, 2002, 9:14 PM

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Email received and replied.Cool


jsoon
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Jul 15, 2002, 9:09 AM

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Hi Everyone,

I am searching for that guy whom I met in the Koi shop last Sat when I went to exchange the faulty TC. Can you write me an email if it is convient for you. Email: js73132@yahoo.com.sg

You seems to have some issues with the sellers and maybe you can discuss together. Smile


(This post was edited by jsoon on Jul 15, 2002, 9:13 AM)


tanghee
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Jul 16, 2002, 3:48 AM

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SmileHi Jsoon,

I have already send a email to you.

Basically my issues is more on pump and have already been resolved by changing to a more powerful pump.

Cheers

Tang Hee


patrick123
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Jul 17, 2002, 7:12 AM

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Dr Tan and everyone,

Can Turbo Cleaner by placed in a outdoor environment with extremely hot tropical temperature like Singapore or Malaysia? Is the plastic UV proof?

Do I need a housing or roof to providing shelter for TC to prolong its lifespan?

Thanks,
Patrick


johnson lee
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Jul 17, 2002, 7:19 AM

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Hi Patrick

Even though I do not possess a TC at the moment but I have seen them in koi dealers' shops. It looks like they are constructed of strong black plastic material.

All those that I have seen and I'm sure, dr tan's as well are put under the shade. I supposed it would last longer compared to being placed under the hot sun and bearing mind that black absorbs heat as well so it has all got to do with durability of the plastic material.

If you have no option but to put under the hot sun, it is best you erect some shelter for the TC. It will definitely go a long way in prolonging the lifespan of your TC.

Cheers!

JohnsonSmile


dttk
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Jul 17, 2002, 7:45 AM

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Patrick Smile, yes, as mentioned by Johnson, mine is kept under the pergola. I guess there's partial shading. The black plastic/rubber material does seems tough enough to withstand some heat. You don't really need a solid roof over it but some partial shading would be best. Smile
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patrick123
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Jul 17, 2002, 7:53 AM

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Dr Tan and Johnson,

Thanks for the info. Smile

Best Regards,
Patrick


Chingbee
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Aug 22, 2002, 5:38 PM

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Dr. Tan,

My TC is now operating well enough Sly, but as of now, my pond is totally green, I guess I'll have to wait for several weeks before I could see my koi's in there. Pump started 3 days ago, japanese matting in place, brushes and nets in place Sly, oyster shells in place - boy I used 3 sacks of oyster shell in my single chamber Shocked, had to add some more nettings and foam with it Wink

How long do you think before I get clear water? I've just transfered some of my koi's in there tonight


dttk
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Aug 23, 2002, 6:18 AM

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Chingbee Smile, we're so happy for you! Looks like you've got everything in place. The green water as you know is unavoidable if you don't use a UV. It will clear off gradually as your filter is maturing, say 6-8 weeks from now. Meanwhile your koi will enjoy their new spacious home with alot of phytoplankton as food...Sly. So, don't overfeed them, ok? The TC will of course continue to work during this time but it's real usefulness will be seen after the water has cleared up and the pond is fully stocked and filter matured. Remember to monitor ammonia and nitrite. Smile.
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Chingbee
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Aug 23, 2002, 7:00 AM

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yes, my dealer told me that those in the green water are phytoplankton which are not harmful to the koi. Today, my koi went up to the surface for feeding, that means they are not stress! yehey!! Cool
Dr. Tan, how strong a pump do you use for your TC? Am using a 4,200L/hr submersible pump, is this okey? or do I need a bigger one?


SMW1
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Aug 23, 2002, 9:32 AM

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For a G65 I would reccomend at least a 10,000 ltr hour pump. Aquamax 10000 is running mine, however whien I used a spiltter to try and also run a TT on the same pump the TC did not get enough water to produce the bubbles, therefore it was being used as a very expensive air generator.


dttk
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Aug 23, 2002, 10:20 AM

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Chingbee Smile, did you manage to get the TC working with your present pump? You should get bubbles coming out of the black tubes. There is a knob for you to regulate the water flow, (+) means more and (-) means less. If you're able to get the bubbles coming out at the rate of 1L per hour (collect the discharge and measure), as recommended, without having to turn the knob to maximum, then your pump is strong enough. If no bubbles and you're already at maximum, then your pump is not strong enough. I do not know how much water flows thru my TC because it is getting only part of my pump's output. The rest goes to waterfalls and venturi. Wink

Stuart Smile, do you agree with me?
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patrick123
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Aug 23, 2002, 11:16 AM

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Dr Tan,

So for G65 is 10,000L pump. What about G20? What size of pump should I use?

Since I'm channeling all the waste water to the drain, I'm afraid that if I set the flow too high, too much water is being drained away from the pond.

Any advise?

Thanks,
Patrick


Chingbee
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Aug 23, 2002, 1:09 PM

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But I have tried my TC using the 4200L/hr pump and there are bubbles coming out nicely, does this mean my TC is not doing it's job well?


Chingbee
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Aug 23, 2002, 5:19 PM

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Dr. Tan,

Thanks, I think my TC is working well with my present pump - there are bubbles coming out on top, and water does continously flows out (discharge) I have to (-) it so not too much water will come out.

Sly


dttk
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Aug 24, 2002, 5:10 AM

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Good morning Patrick, with your present pump, are you able to get the bubbles coming out at the rate of 1L per hour? If more than that, turn the knob towards the (-) and this should slow down the flow. In that case, you should not lose too much water and your pump is powerful enough Smile.
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patrick123
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Aug 25, 2002, 6:52 PM

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Dr Tan,

I have just acquired the TC and therefore have not tried it out with any pump yet. Just wondering what is the recommended pump size. I was told should be at least 5000L/hr since the G65 runs at about 10000L/hr.

But then Chingbee is using only 4,200L/hr. Not sure if Chingbee is using the G20 or G65.

Cheers,
Patrick


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Aug 26, 2002, 4:33 AM

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Patrick Smile, I think 4000-5000LpH pump should be good enough if you're dedicating this pump only to the TC. There is no harm using a stronger pump as you'll have more room to adjust the flow. I think Chingbee should be using a G65 as her new pond is massive. Regards Wink.
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Aug 26, 2002, 4:44 AM

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Dr Tan,

Thanks for the advise. I will try it out and let everyone knows the rating.

Cheers,
Patrick


Chingbee
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Aug 26, 2002, 7:40 AM

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Hi Patrick,

I'm using G65 with 4200LPH submersible pump and output of the TC seems ok

Ching


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Aug 26, 2002, 10:31 AM

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Chingbee,

Thanks for the info.

Cheers,
Patrick


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Aug 27, 2002, 9:54 AM

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Hi All,

Sorry all, I should have said that I use a 10,000 litre an hour pump for my pond, rather than a 10,000 gal pump is reccomended.

I have looked up the specifications and it it reccomended for G65 to have a pump between 3,000 - 15,000. They can not narrow this down at all and don't give any reason.

I think the reason the range is so wide is to do with head height. Where as Chingbee probably pumps from the filter to TC at about 2' - 3'. I have to pump up to 7' as the pump is in the pond (also the tubing is about 15' as well which has a drastic impact on performace). This is probably the reason that we both have the same results with different pumps.

Chingbee, Correct me if I am wrong.

Sorry Patrick, I could not find the specifications for the G20. But as Dr Tan says if you get the bubbles (out of the additional piping) then there is no problem. My bubbles start to appear right in the center of the "+, -"setting which I believe to be the best place to have them.


patrick123
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Aug 27, 2002, 2:26 PM

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Stuart,

Is your pond 7ft deep??? My god, that's like heaven for koi. AngelicAngelicAngelic

BTW, is there a problem with reflection with a really deep pond? I have visited a koi farm and they have a pond of 10ft deep (100ton pond). Half of the time, the koi is 3ft below and it is kind of hard to view them...and I noticed a lot of reflection compare to a more shallow pond.

Cheers,
Patrick


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Aug 27, 2002, 4:13 PM

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No my pond is only 5 deep. The pond feeds the filter via a pump therefore the filter sits about 1.5 above the water surface and the TC is on top of that.

Im glad you mentioned Reflections, its something not a lot of people thing about. The problem of reflection has nothing to do with the depth of the pond. Whenever designing a pond, location is very important. What I have done for my new pond (which will be 7 deep) is, I place a large bucket of water on the floor where I want my pond (obviously more than 1 bucket for a big pond). I can then check this at various points of the day to see where / what the reflection will be in different areas. If I can not move the pond, I will make sure I either cover the pond with a pergola to minimise reflection or I would situate the feeding / viewing area when the reflection is minimal.

I know many people that have built a really big nice pond and have though of everything, but did not think about the reflection. The water is really clear but on a sunny day you can not see the fish 2" under the surface due to reflection.



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Aug 28, 2002, 5:28 AM

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Stuart,

How does this reflection come along? It is interesting as the place I visited has all the ponds under cover. The 5ft pond is only right next to the 10ft one...Both ponds are painted in black and the 10ft one looks so deep that it looks a bit scary. As for reflection, the 5ft pond was so much clearer and I can see the details of all the fishes....and for the 10ft, I had to get the owner to fish out the koi in order to have a good look.

So my question is, if we are building a pond in the house so that our visitors and us can enjoy viewing the fish, do we really want a pond that is more than 5ft deep? Due to my inexperienced contractor who build the pond, mine is only 3.5-4ft deep. So I don't think I will encounter this problem. Smile I guess the question is, do we want what's good for the fish or what's good for us. Smile

Thanks,
Patrick


Chingbee
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Aug 28, 2002, 7:43 AM

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Stuart,

The pump is situated in the last chamber and directly above it is my turbo cleaner, so about 3 feet I guess or maybe 4 feet including the hose that connects to it. Anyways, you can always adjust the bubbles. For the G20 maybe a smaller than my 4200LPH pump would be okey - say about 3000 LPH?


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Aug 28, 2002, 9:14 AM

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Patrick,

I bet your koi dealer had a field day trying to get koi out of a 10' pond. I can imagine the amount of drag the net would produce that far under.

It's strange that you say the ponds are next to each other, both covered and only 1 has reflection. Were you standing in such a way that you looked at the pond in a different direction ?.

If you think about it a reflection is made up or light particles bouncing off of a reflective surface such water or glass. So the depth of it should not come into it at all as the light only uses the surface of the water to create a refelection.

Ching,

3' foot height probably explains why your TC works well with a 4200 and I have to use double that due to my 7' head. I would agree with you that a 3000 for the G20 would be an idea pump for the same set up as you have however I would move up 1000 litres per hour per additional 1' head.


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Aug 28, 2002, 10:19 AM

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Stuart,

The guy apparently has big muscles. LaughLaugh. I guess is more fun trying to net a koi than going to gym. LaughLaugh

What you said about the reflection makes sense. I was always under the impression that some amount of light travel through the water and reflect at the bottom of the tank and hence cancel out the light at the reflective surface. If the pond is too deep, the light cannot travel all the way down and hence only the light at the surface is present and hence the reflection is enhanced. This could be just my imagination. Do you have this problem with your 7ft deep pond?

Thanks,
Patrick


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Aug 28, 2002, 12:56 PM

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No Wonder he's got big muscles if you keep asking him "Can I see the one at the bottom please". Wink

Your theory could also be right, I would never disagree unless I have tested both theories in great detail.

Would anyone else like to give us their opinion on reflections of ponds. - Do you think that epth of a pond plays a part in the amount of reflection the pond produces ?

I haven't got my 7' pond finished yet so I can not comment on the reflection of this.


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Aug 29, 2002, 10:30 AM

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Hi Stuart

You are right, most of us (including myself) never give proper thought to water reflections on our pond until we find out too late.Crazy

It is a good idea to put a large basin of water on the ground where we intend to locate our pond and walk around and see from various angles to decide the best location. However, in my case due to the lack of land and space, I know the location of my pond right from the start because that is the only spot I have avalaible anyway!CrazyWink

Why is it that from certain angles we are unable to see the water clearly as though there is 'blind spot' in the water? I have found that from different varying angles, light refracts differently hence the seemingly blind spot. I know for example that my pond viewed from the feeding area has a blind spot and sometime I am unable to see the fishes but from where the filter is located, I get absolutely wonderful clear view.

There are different factors involved here: One of it is definitely due to the surrounding area such as trees, foliage, plants, building structure etc. I find that the more shade or structures around the pond, the more blind spots there are as compared to a completely uninhibited pond. The depth of the pond also plays a role in creating blind spots. The deeper the pond, the higher possibility of light not being able to penetrate to that level hence unable to reflect the light back to the viewer's eyes.

However, I find that this problem disappears at night when artificial light is introduced and I can see the pond clearly from all angles.

Just my observation.

JohnsonSmile


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Aug 29, 2002, 10:39 AM

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Hmm very interesting. So like Patrick you believe that the depth of a pond has a role to play in reflection also. I can understand what you are saying about the light penatrating up to a certain point, but I'm still not convinced Unsure. Come on guys convince me WinkWink.

The colour of the sourrounding environament in a pond will also be a major player in the reflection. You will get reflection no matter what but ifyou have dark surroundings as apposed to light colours I am sure the felection would be much less. (think of a police screening - where the suspects line up, light one side -dark the other, who can see who?)


David Kuantoro
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halo , dttk

it's me David From Indonesia . remember me ? do you have e-mail of LINTREX ?
i want to buy G65 for my pond . of maybe anybody in this forum know where to buy in singapore or maybe in my country INDONESIA ?
Thanks

Cheers


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Hi David, how are you? Smile I do not have their email. However the local dealer is LINTREX (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD, Lot 19345 & 6, Tmn. Perindustrian Selayang, Batu 8 1/2, Jalan Ipoh, 68100 Batu Caves, Selangor. Tel: 03-6138 8888.
Alternatively, you could do a search at www.google.com and I'm sure you'll get some info. Regards. Smile
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andymadd
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Nov 9, 2004, 10:32 PM

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Hi

Bit slow with this post sorry but I have the smaller TC and the gunk it removes is very good I added a couple of large airstones into the base of the unit just to make extra bubbles and it worked even better so consider pumping air in as well as using the venturi

Andy


David Kuantoro
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Nov 18, 2004, 5:30 AM

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hello , dttk

fine , i'm very fine . and my koi is fine too . i have already fine their e-mail ( lintrex@pd.jaring.my ) but their e-mail server allways full . so my e-mail always returned .
can any body in this forum help me where to buy febi turbo-cleaner ?
i hear from trevor in east riding koi says the company who took over febi is being liquidation . so maybe febi is no longer avaiable .

thanks

 
 



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