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patrick123
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Oct 27, 2002, 11:35 AM


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Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Dear All,

I finally connected my turbo cleaner with a powerhead of 2500L/hr. Unfortunately, the pump does not have enough juice to generate enough foam. Instead of buying another pump of 5000L/hr and spend more money on the electricity, can I just put a airstone into the turbo cleaner and generate more foam that way??? Wow...I'm a geniue. AngelicAngelicAngelic


dttk
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Oct 28, 2002, 5:37 AM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Patrick Smile, no bubbles may also mean the built-in venturi is not working. If it is, you should be able to hear a low pitch "roaring" sound or see the bubbles at the bottom from the opening above eventhough they may not be strong enough to rise up the tubes. If it is working, then by increasing water flow thru it, the bubbles should rise thru the tubes.

If it is not working, better to get it replaced if still under warranty. In this case, I do not know if putting an airstone would be effective or not eventhough the concept is the same Smile. You are indeed a Genius!Wink
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SMW1
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Oct 28, 2002, 9:26 AM


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Re: [dttk] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Take off the lid and round center piece. Can you see bubbles now ?. if not check the light grey pipe and make sure that they are no leaks. On the G65 these are a little fragile and can snap off quite easily.


patrick123
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Oct 28, 2002, 6:13 PM


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Re: [dttk] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Dr Tan and Stuart,

Thanks for the info. Yes, there is a low pitch roaring sound and bubble forming. However, with 2500L/hr, it really doesn't produce enough juice to power the TC.

What I did was to divert 30% of my capacity from the main pump into the TC. What a difference in performance. The TC suddenly jump to life and roaring like crazy. Bubbles were bursting at the top. Really neat and impressive.

Guess what, I let it run for one night and the next day, I could not believe my eyes. Since my filter is not completely mature, the water was slightly green (even with a 15w UV light), and murky. After running the TC for one night, I can still see that the water is still slightly green, but, what a difference... the water is sparkling clean....almost shining. When I looked at the discharge, the water is yellowish and dull.

I will strongly recommend any serious koi hobbyist to invest into a TC or a TC equivalent protein skimmer. It really makes a big difference in the water quality.

BTW, one question I have is, since I'm still topping up with liquid bacteria, will the TC extract the good bacteria that is costing me a lot of money to buy?

Thanks,
Patrick

BTW, Dr Tan, I was joking when I say about the genius thing. Just kidding...hope you don't mind. BlushBlushBlush


dttk
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Oct 29, 2002, 4:10 AM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hey Patrick Sly, you got me wrong there! I really think that was a good idea except that nobody tried it before...Crazy Sly. To me you're still a Genius! Smile
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patrick123
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Oct 29, 2002, 5:27 AM


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Re: [dttk] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Dr Tan,

Thanks for your compliment. Any comment whether I should turn off the TC when I top up bacteria in the pond?

Thanks,
Patrick


jsoon
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Oct 29, 2002, 5:34 AM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Patrick,

No regrets, right ?

However, I think TC is more suitable for outdoor and big pond as it discharge out water from your pond.

I am think trying to figure out how much water the TC discharge out ?


(This post was edited by jsoon on Oct 29, 2002, 5:40 AM)


SMW1
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Oct 29, 2002, 9:30 AM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Patrick,

I think that the TC will extract a percentage of the bacteria you put in. Whenever I treat my pond I turn the TC off. I find the medication works much better without the TC. Salt is an exception here.


dttk
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Oct 29, 2002, 2:37 PM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Patrick, yes, as adviced by Stuart, no harm turning off the TC for awhile. Smile
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patrick123
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Oct 30, 2002, 5:23 AM


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Re: [jsoon] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Jonathan,

Yeap...it works like a charm. Really impressed. I kind of agree that TC is best for outdoor due to the noise it generates. Also, with the flow of water, it is best to be used for big volume of water. However, it will be neater if TC can be made of weatherproofed material so that it does not have to be under shade...and if they can improve the look of it will be perfect. SmileSmileSmile

For indoor, if you want to avoid the loud hissing sound, there are other types of protein skimmer in the market that use airstone to generate bubble. Hence, they don't make any noise at all....may be something worth considering for indoor ponder.

As for how much water is discharged, it depends on the amount of DOC you have in the pond, and the discharge rate that you set. Currently, my setting will allow a discharge of 2-3 pail of water in 1 day.. Don't think that that's too much because all the discharged water is dark brown in color. I'm using that to water my plant. SmileSmileSmile

Now my only chellenge is how to conceal the TC and how to keep it under cover since my pond is 100% exposed to sunlight. Thinking of customizing a Terracota pot to hide the TC inside. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Patrick


patrick123
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Oct 30, 2002, 5:26 AM


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Re: [SMW1] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Stuart and Dr Tan,

Thanks for the advise. All I can say about TC is I'm totally impressed by it. It turned my murky and greenish water into sparkling water. I'm still trying to get my surface skimmer to work, and it will be perfect then. Smile

I can feel that my koi are much less jumpy and a lot more active now. Smile

Thanks,
Patrick


dttk
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Oct 30, 2002, 7:18 AM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Patrick, glad you found the TC useful. I agree that the TC doesn't look very nice beside the pond. Where is yours located? It is possible to extend the lengths of the inlet and outlet pipes so that the body can be hidden away, like in your case behind the filter. Mine is totally exposed to the sun. Smile
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patrick123
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Oct 30, 2002, 9:06 AM


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Re: [dttk] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Dr Tan,

If I remember correctly, your TC is under the Pergola right? So in theory, it is not 100% under the sunlight. How long have you been using it under this condition?

I heard from a koi dealer that one guy had his TC under the sun and the cover cracked after 1-2 years.

Please advise.

Thanks,
Patrick


dttk
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Oct 30, 2002, 9:17 AM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Patrick, yes, my TC is under the pergola. But the pergola does not have a net or any plants to shade the TC. So, it's still pretty much exposed to the sun Unimpressed. Yes, it's possible that the TC may crack after 1-2 yrs. Thank goodness, mine haven't...ShockedSly. One advice though, make sure that the TC lay flat against an even surface. Otherwise cracks will appear on the bottom due to water pressure. Smile
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patrick123
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Oct 30, 2002, 9:35 AM


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Re: [dttk] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Dr Tan,

Just to clarify further....since I'm contemplating to install a pergola....I thought the whole idea of installing pergola is to provide shading to the pond to minimize direct sunlight. I was told that beside the horizonally spaced wood, people also use certain type of net or shading to block the sunlight. Some people even go to the extend of using sheets that are waterproof to shelter the rain from the pond.

Please advise if my understanding is wrong.

Thanks,
Patrick


SMW1
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Oct 30, 2002, 10:26 AM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi,

Pergola's are built for a number of reasons. Some to provide shade, where a sheet of bamboo stipps can be added to the top for a nice cool effect. Other pagola's are purley for landscaping, it gives the pond a 3D effect if you know what I mean. Origionally the main purpose of the pergola was to stop predators from above.

My TC has been out in the open for 2 years now, it has no shade and I have nver had a problem with it. It's not had as high temperatures as you guys but it has been frozen solid at one stage and still no harm has come to it. I think you friend who told you they would crack was underestimating the build quality of these TC's Sly.


patrick123
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Oct 30, 2002, 12:33 PM


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Re: [SMW1] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Stuart,

It is a great relief to hear that TC can be used exposed in outdoor. I think the summer in UK must be quite hot too. In Singapore, it can go up to 33 degree celcius.

Now I don't have to use a garbage bag to cover my TC. At least it looks better. I will take some picture when I go back to Singapore in 2 weeks time to show everyone.

Cheers,
Patrick


dttk
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Oct 30, 2002, 2:12 PM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Patrick Smile, Stuart is right on target again! Yeah, my pergola was built as part of a landscaping feature. It could also be converted into a covered shed in future if the need arises. Will be looking forward to more pictures of your pond, koi and TC. Sly
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mhlim
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Feb 8, 2003, 7:09 AM


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Re: [dttk] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Dr Tan,

I wish to thank you for turning my pond water clear. Remember on the last visit to your pond my enquiries on your sparkling water and TC? I bought and installed a G65 the following week on the 18/1/03. True enough the water turned clear on 1/2/03 although there is still foam at the surface skimmer (the amount is considerably lesser than before). It happened exactly 2 weeks after the installation, the time taken is the same as what Stuart has mentioned earlier!

I can happily state that this is a benefit of joining pond visits apart from making friends and getting to know more about kois and maintenance of ponds.Wink Thanks again.

Regards.


andyng
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Feb 8, 2003, 12:16 PM


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Re: [mhlim] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

WOW.... mhlim crystal clear water, hint hint.... time for a pond visit and we all misses your nasi lemak. So just tell us when.

Andy Ng


dttk
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Feb 9, 2003, 3:16 AM


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Re: [mhlim] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Lim Smile, good morning to you. Like Andy, I'm glad that your water has turned crystal clear in just 2 weeks after installing the TC Wink. Keep up the good work and we'll be looking forward to seeing your pond and koi soon! Sly Happy Koi-keeping.
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mhlim
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Feb 9, 2003, 9:27 AM


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Re: [andyng] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Andy,

Nasi lemak? No problem. Please confirm attendance so that I can prepare enough serving to all. Tentatively I suggest next Sunday, ie 16/02/2003, 2.00 pm. We meet at Petronas petrol station Jinjang. Is it OK? For those who come from PJ by LDP, you proceed to Kepong, then Kepong Baru and staright on, you will see Shell Station before Petronas. It's on your left hand side.

Regards.


wan
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Feb 9, 2003, 5:06 PM


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Re: [mhlim] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hello Lim,
Pond visit at your place eh ? Sounds good.Smile
I would sure like to go, though I am not sure if I'll be around this weekend. (I'll reconfirm )
Anyway I have been looking around for a TC myself .
May I know where u got yours and how much did it cost.
Did u installed it yourself ? I am lousy at this DIY stuff.Crazy

Thanks.


dttk
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Feb 10, 2003, 3:38 AM


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Re: [mhlim] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Lim, 16th Feb is great. Can we all meet at my favourite Caltex station again, you know the one next to Kohaku Koi? Unsure I'm not very familiar with Kepong area. Smile
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mikekinrara
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Feb 10, 2003, 5:34 PM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Patrick,

Can i know where did you brought the turbo cleaner and how much ?



Thanks


patrick123
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Feb 11, 2003, 8:40 AM


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Re: [mikekinrara] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Mike,

I don't know which country you are from and cannot advise you. You can check on the website and you can order one through mail order too.

As for me, I bought it second hand from a friend. It is very effective. I strongly recommend the turbo cleaner or any type of fractionator for any pond.

Cheers,
Patrick


cgad
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Feb 14, 2003, 8:02 AM


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Re: [mikekinrara] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

have been following this interesting discussion.i have come across a number of diy sites on the internet in respect to using pvc water piping and accessories to make a skimmer.of course, it would not be as presentable as the commercially produced ones but claims are they perform .if you are interested just search for diy protein skimmers and a whole list of articles will appear.my personal observation is for non engineering people, one has to do balancing of water pressure in column as well as consider pump size as well as pvc column height on a trial and error basis.


cwnchong
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Feb 14, 2003, 10:33 AM


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Re: [cgad] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Cgad,

I have not come across these site. Thank you for sharing with us. I am sure they are great help to those who are interested to DIY their own skimmer system.

Tks/Rgds


mhlim
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Feb 18, 2003, 1:54 PM


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Re: [wan] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Wan,
I understand that you installed a TC on 15/02/03. Hope your water will be crystal clear in 2 weeks time but we wish to hear from you the results of your efforts. It has to be proven time and again in order to say that TC is effective in giving us clear water, isn't it? Yin is also interested to acquire one from what he told me during his visit to my place on 16/02.

Good luck.

Regards.


k c yin
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Feb 18, 2003, 4:26 PM


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Re: [mhlim] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Lim,

Could you provide me the detail contact for me to purchase the TC.

Rgds,

KC YIN


wan
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Feb 18, 2003, 4:41 PM


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Re: [mhlim] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Lim,
Sorry I missed the pond visit to your place.Frown Heard that you all had a wonderful time. Look forward to seeing your beautiful pond myself someday.

Yes, I have installed the TC (finally) and the water clarity is beginning to look good.Cool I personally think the TC is going to help my pond maintenance a lot as it has only been 3 days and there is already a marked improvement in the water quality.

The other thing that I have done extra is to is to vacuum my settlement chamber once a week. The pond vacuum is certainly a great help and I belief with this latest aquisition my pond maintenance ensemble is now complete.Wink

Will keep u posted.
Rgds,
WAN


dttk
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Feb 19, 2003, 5:46 AM


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Re: [wan] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Good morning Wan Smile, glad to know that your latest acquisitions (not my house I hope!) or investments (I'd prefer this term Laugh) are doing wonders to your pond and koi Sly. Any chance for some pictures of your koi and filter? I hope we'll be able to visit you again when all your pond/filter problems are solved. Happy ponding!Sly
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mhlim
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Feb 19, 2003, 8:19 AM


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Re: [k c yin] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi K C,
I bought the TC from Lintrix. It's situated in Selayang Industrial Estate. Sorry I can't find the telephone no. now but I am sure Wan can help you.
Don't you want to wait until Wan gives you a conclusive result before you purchase one yourself?

Hi Wan,
Congratulations for getting some positive results after 3 days. Do tell us what happens after 2 weeks, ok? Can you give the telephone no. to KC if it is still with you? Thank you.

Cheers.


wan
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Feb 19, 2003, 11:44 AM


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Re: [dttk] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Dr. Tan,
Looks like the only thing I need to acquire from you is the franchise to your benchmark water qualtiy.Wink
(Not to put pressure on u but it seems that everyone is using your pond as a yardstick) .
Currently on a scale of 1 to 10 (yours being a 10) I would say that I have a good 7 Smile. Thanks for your advise on the installation of the TC.
I'll try and get some pictures.

Hi Lim,
You are right about giving the TC a good run first b4 advising others to buy one. So lets see how it goes in a few days.

Rgds,
WAN


patrick123
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Feb 19, 2003, 12:48 PM


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Re: [wan] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

I agree totally. A turbo cleaner or some kind of fractionator is a must for any serious hobbyist.

Have you seen the stuff that comes out of the TC? It is brownish black. Like a glass of beer (don't drink it though SmileSmile).

You would never imagine how much difference it makes to the water clarity to remove this brownish thing from the pond.


dttk
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Feb 19, 2003, 1:09 PM


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Re: [wan] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Wan, thanks for the compliments Smile. I'm floating on cloud 9 already Angelic. Yes, do post some pictures and do not hesitate to send it to me if you need help.Sly
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k c yin
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Feb 19, 2003, 3:39 PM


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Re: [wan] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Dear Wan,

Pls keep us posted on the progress of your TC performance . I will wait for your result B4 buying one.

Rgds,

KC YIN


patrick123
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Feb 20, 2003, 7:55 AM


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Re: [k c yin] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

KC,

Don't wait lah....go ahead and get one. So many people have used it with remarkable results including Dr Tan and Stuart.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a dealer for TC. I have bought a second hand TC from a friend and left it in the store room for 3 months. This is because the TC is not a piece of equipment that can be hidden or blend in easily with the natural surrounding. For the sake of astatic reason, I decided not to use it. Until one fine day, I took it out and gave it a try. Guess what, I never put it back to the store room again.

If you are building a new pond, I would suggest that you provision some space so that you can incorporate the TC into your design...e.g. behind the waterfall, or hidden inside an empty filter chamber, etc. so that it will not look unsightly but still do a wonderful job.

Cheers,
Patrick


k c yin
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Feb 20, 2003, 3:46 PM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Patrick,
I m having the same problem as you. I have no idea where to hide the TC. I had incresed the water flow rate through the filter chamber as well as the volume 3 days ago and I, m happy with the result. I am considering to install the TT rather than the TC at the moment
Rgds,
KC YIN


patrick123
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Feb 21, 2003, 4:17 AM


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Re: [k c yin] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

KC,

Hopefully, the manufacturer of TC will realize one fine day and do a complete redesign so that the TC can look more natural....but until then, we are stuck with its ugly look. SmileSmile

As for TT, it is another good device. However, the function and usage is completely different from TC and is not meant to be a substitute for TC. TT, if install properly with the right flow rate, height, etc. can be very effective in removing nitrate. However, TC is designed to remove DOC (dissolved organic carbon), which is also what we call protein in the water.

Cheers,
Patrick


mhlim
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Feb 21, 2003, 6:42 AM


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Re: [patrick123] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Good morning K C,

Hold on to your purchase of TC. Did you see the DIY TC diagram posted by Andy? It's great. It would have saved me RM 1,xxx had this sketch came out earlier.

I would try to DIY one by PVC pipe & fittings as suggested or by plastic container with PVC fittings. In theory it should work. The satisaction of getting clear water from our own works is greater than that from commercial TC.

Cheers.


k c yin
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Feb 21, 2003, 3:14 PM


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Re: [mhlim] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Lim, Patrick,
Tks for the info.
Rgds,
K C YIN


mhlim
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Mar 9, 2003, 12:02 PM


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Re: [wan] Turbo Cleaner no bubble

Hi Wan,

How's your water clarity now? It's been 3 weeks since you installed your TC, if I am not mistaken.

Sparkling and crystal clear water? Pls keep us posted.

Regards.