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louieloui
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May 18, 2008, 8:00 AM

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The house we rent has a small (around 40-50 estimated gallons) pond that is about 5.5' x 4' x 2.5' give or take. The only filter it has is a waterfall pump that I added a filter "sponge" too to give it some extra filtering punch. For awhile the pond was nice and clear, then it started to get a touch of algae on the pond walls and river rocks at the bottom, until it got hot. The water itself is still fairly clear--in that if I scoop some up in a clear plastic cup you can see through it--however you can't see the fish very well and the amount of algae on the walls and bottom are much more. It's not to the string algae part yet, however. I have been removing, rinsing out, and replacing the sponge on the filter as it greens up quickly about once a day (although I'm probably going to this twice a day w/the heat). Unfortunately the pond gets a ton of sunshine and I'm not able to build or install anything above it. I might be able to get away w/putting some sort of opaque screen over it if it would work?

Water quality over the past several weeks has been:

Nitrites - 0 ppm
Nitrates - 0 ppm
pH - 6.4 - 7.0

I forget the others at the moment, however they've been w/in the normal range aside from the pH. I added a touch of sodium bicarbonate to bring it up after reading to do so. I have added barely powder as directed by the label, and also algae remover, yet that hasn't helped. The fish (some comets and 4 very small koi) are doing wonderfully and don't seem to mind the algae, but of course I'd like to be able to see and monitor them. Is there anything I can do to cut down the algae or am I screwed because of the location of the pond?

~Laura~


ouch
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May 22, 2008, 10:08 AM

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The house we rent has a small (around 40-50 estimated gallons) pond that is about 5.5' x 4' x 2.5' give or take.

If your measurements are correct, the pond is about 400 gallons, not 40-50.


Can you give more details about the pond?

The fish load? The pump gallons/hour? Do you have plants in the pond?

Really the best solution is to build a filter.


weiwahho
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May 22, 2008, 6:54 PM

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judging from your issue, i think u can buy a DIY ( i.e. Laguna filter system with UV sterilizer) to solve you problem... however, it will be great if you try to find the larger size UVC 12000, try to use this model with a 10,000L water pump, i think it will help coz ur pond water volume is about 2500L - 3000L... thanks...


louieloui
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May 27, 2008, 11:05 AM

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I went and measured the pond and the size is about 5.5' x 4' x about 2'. The formula I found online to determine gallons in a pond said to multiply L x W x D x 7.0 (is this correct?), so that gives me roughly 300 gallons, give or take. Very deceiving looking at the pond. My dad was convinced it was 25-30 gallons, and my husband was the one who guessed no more than 50.

Fish load--4 small (4-6") koi, and about 8-10 small comet goldfish.

Not sure about the pump. I'll see if I can find the same one online and report back.

I do have some plants in the pond. Originally I put them in to give the fish some cover from the sun and from predators. Now that the water isn't as easily seen through I can remove them (?).

I would gladly build a filter, however given we do not own the house that's out of the question. :o( Plus, there isn't anywhere to put it as the pond is in the front "yard" installed in a built up area. I'll have to take a picture but it basically takes up the entire area w/a couple of very, very small trees in front.

I can say that having underestimated the size of the pond, I have not been putting in nearly enough algaecide, barely, and/or water clearer type products. Should I increase this or is there anything I shouldn't be putting in there?

Thanks for the help thus far,
~Laura~


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The house we rent has a small (around 40-50 estimated gallons) pond that is about 5.5' x 4' x 2.5' give or take.

If your measurements are correct, the pond is about 400 gallons, not 40-50.


Can you give more details about the pond?

The fish load? The pump gallons/hour? Do you have plants in the pond?

Really the best solution is to build a filter.



ouch
Koi Lover

May 29, 2008, 11:19 AM

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I went and measured the pond and the size is about 5.5' x 4' x about 2'. The formula I found online to determine gallons in a pond said to multiply L x W x D x 7.0 (is this correct?), so that gives me roughly 300 gallons, give or take.

It's actually LxWxDx7.5 for a rectangular pond, so we can say 300-350 gallons.

Fish load--4 small (4-6") koi, and about 8-10 small comet goldfish.

This is too many fish for your pond, and it will only get worse as they grow (especially the koi). With a good filter, you could have 1-2 koi and a few goldfish. Or, you could get rid of all the koi and keep the goldfish. Goldfish are much more hardy and don't require as much space. They also are less messy than koi. With goldfish a general rule is 1" of fish per 10 gallons. So 10 goldfish, each 5", require 500 gallons. However, the better the filter, the more fish you can add and maintain perfect water quality.

Another issue I didn't mention is feeding. How often, how much, and what do you feed? Buying a slow-degrading food (Tetra just came out with a nice flake food), and reducing feeding will help the algae problem as well.

I do have some plants in the pond. Originally I put them in to give the fish some cover from the sun and from predators. Now that the water isn't as easily seen through I can remove them (?).

Leave the plants in the pond. They compete with the algae for nitrates, which is basically plant food. Also, any plant leaves, blossoms, etc, that fall into the pond will decay and produce more ammonia, nitrites, and ultimitately nitrates. Netting out debris in the pond regularly before it starts to decay will help keep the water clear.

I would gladly build a filter, however given we do not own the house that's out of the question. :o( Plus, there isn't anywhere to put it as the pond is in the front "yard" installed in a built up area. I'll have to take a picture but it basically takes up the entire area w/a couple of very, very small trees in front.

A picture would be helpful. The filter doesn't need to be anything huge or amazing for your size pond, and anything at this point will help. Even a 5 gallon bucket turned into a filter would help, though the bigger the better. You could use something like a 32 or 44 gallon rubbermaid trashcan, which could greatly improve the situation if implemented correctly.

I can say that having underestimated the size of the pond, I have not been putting in nearly enough algaecide, barely, and/or water clearer type products. Should I increase this or is there anything I shouldn't be putting in there?

Do not use algaecide! I cannot tell you how many death stories I have heard after using algaecide. Algaecide uses up a ton of oxygen, so if you don't have the pond extremely well aerated you will end up killing the fish, or harming them at best. This is a waste of money anyways, as this only temporarily solves the issue. A filter is the only long term fix for water quality.


 
 
 



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