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Paula
Koi Lover

Jul 25, 2006, 12:27 AM

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I am having trouble determining the pH of my pond water. I have used two color comparison products--the kind where one puts the water into a tube, adds reagent, and compares to a color chart. I find the two I have, difficult to read and awkward to use. I bought a Hanna pH meter. It wasn't waterproof, and when water got inside, naturally, the meter went kaaflooie. I took it back for a replacement. I calibrated the second one, and all seemed well until suddenly it went from reading my pond water at pH 8.6 to reading it at 9.4. Being suspicious (if that word covers screaming "WHAT!!! XZ@**#") of such a violent increase, I put the meter into some white vinegar, and it read the pH of the vinegar at 8.0. I know vinegar is a mild acid, so a meter reading of pH 8.0 tells me the meter is, in a word, whacked. I am currently waiting for calibration solutions which I ordered so I can try to recalibrate the meter.

What have you other pondkeepers out there found to be a reliable method for measuring pond pH. I know some of you will tell me if the pond looks Ok, and the fish seem healthy, not to worry about pH, but I am barely into the second year on a pond built by a nitwit who constructed the pond walls using manmade blocks. The pH has been up to 10.0 on occasion (if you can trust the color comparison tests I have used) and based on the pH readings I get now, I may want to draw and quarter the nitwit for saddling me with perhaps a terminally flawed pond--or at the very least bring socially accepted pressure to bear to force the nitwit to either install a proper liner or coat the surface of the blocks to prevent the leaching of lime into the water.

The Nitwit claims the blocks will eventually stop leaching lime into the water, (he can't tell me if the time for that is weeks, months, years, or decades) and in the meantime he wants me to start adding muriatic acid by the half cupful to bring down the pH. He is unable to tell me how changing the pH that way will look as a day to day water management program, but I don't want to sit next to the pond 24-7 with an HCl dispenser. Not to mention the fact that it sounds like it could be asking for rapid and wide swings of pH. We, the nitwit and I, look at this problem from two very different points of view. My first concern is the well-being of the three koi he dumped into the pond. His first concern is, of course, avoiding, or more accurately, delaying indefinitely, the expense of correcting a problem.

I apologize for the whine about my nitwit-caused problem. I did so only to explain and justify my current need for information about accurate and reliable pH monitoring.

Paula


zoul
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Jul 25, 2006, 8:07 AM

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Dear Paula

Just take a sample of water to your local aquatic dealer and bring your electronic tester with you, as them to test the ph and calabrate the tester accordingly.

Concrete that leaches lime needs to be covered. it could take weeks of filling and emptying even months.

It would be alot easier to paint it with G4 and cheeper than a liner.

So what size is your pond? What kinda filter do you have?

And of course the ultermate question when are you going on judge judy with this nitwit ???


larz1
Koi Kichi


Jul 25, 2006, 8:25 AM

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Sounds like nitwit has NEVER built a functional Koi pond beforeTongue. Lets just say you'll be waiting a very, very, very, loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time for the lime to stop leeching. I don't know the terms of your contract with him/her/it, but if it was supposed to be a working KOI pond he isn't finished until it actually works... which does not include adding muratic acid on a daily basis. It needs to be sealed with G4, Sanitred, or something similar if you want healthy Koi any time this decade.
As to the ph issues, the color charts can be difficult, but are still a good reference if the digital is on the blink. I don't know what type of calibration solutions you are getting or how many set points you can calibrate this one to, but I do know that distilled water is 7.0 if you want to re-set the midpoint. After that test your vinegar. It should read somewhere in the vacinity of 5.0 or so if it is standard 5% solution.


Paula
Koi Lover

Jul 27, 2006, 11:13 PM

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Paula,

I have discovered dip sticks made by a German company but sold on the internet at sanitationtools.com. These sticks are intended for use by chemists, but they are great for pondkeepers too. They come in three versions--Universal, Intermediate, and Narrow range. The ones I ordered are narrow range and measure pH from 6.5 to 10.0 at 13 different values. I am sure they will last longer than the liquid color comparison test, and they are much easier to use. I am on my second Hanna pH meter and it cannot be calibrated. It cost me $83.00, and now I have to send it back to Hanna service. The dip sticks are $16.00 for 100 strips. Can't beat the price and they don't need calibration with accessory pH buffer solutions which cost $20.00+ for 25 one time use packets.

So, Paula, I hope this helps in your quest for accurate and easy pH measurement.

Paula


larz1
Koi Kichi


Jul 28, 2006, 10:43 AM

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Hey Paula,
been talking to yourself long???CrazyTongueWink (Couldn't help it, I'm a bit of a smart @&&, ask aroundBlush)
But in all seriousnessAngelic, I thought dipstick might be nitwit's brother when I first started reading your last post... but then I realized you weren't talking about a dip$#!^Shocked after all. Just plain old litmus paper. Boy do I feel better.Wink
Anyway, hope all turns out well and nitwit decides to do the right thing on your pond fix. (he does owe you)Smile Maybe you could offer him a nice foot bath in lye water and give HIM a bottle of ACID to make it feel all better when his feet turn red and raw from all that nice caustic waterMadMadMad. If he thinks it's good enough for your fish it ought to be good enough for himWink


Paula
Koi Lover

Jul 28, 2006, 11:04 AM

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Paula
Koi Lover

Jul 28, 2006, 11:49 AM

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Larz,

Not only do I talk to myself, I also answer. And scold. And encourage. Probably the result of living in a very conservative town where everyone voted for Emperor George the Incompetent.

Not litmus paper. I know what litmus paper is, and this ain't litmus paper. What I have measures pH from 6.5 to 10.0 at 13 intervals--6.5, 6.8, 7.1, 7.4, 7.7, 7.9, 8.1, 8.3, 8.5, 8.7, 9.0, 9.5, 10.0.

I would like to shake the nitwit until his eyes go permanently jiggly. He is a gutless, waffling, weasel, who couldn't hit the ground with his hat, empty water out of his shoe if the directions were on the bottom etc etc. And what makes it worse is he won't accept responsibility for his screw-ups. Woe is us.

Paula

 
 
 



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