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Can I change water 100% of my koi pond?

 






 


hockhan
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May 29, 2008, 2:53 AM

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Can I change water 100% of my koi pond? Can't Post

Hi! Recently I moved to new house where strangely has 5-6 year old koi pond(16'x8', 3' depth).
The water quality is terribly bad and I can not see the bottom through.Unsure
There is gummy stuff at the bottom (about 1' thick) and top water is green.Mad
I have 3 kois and 16 gold fish there.Smile
I think I should change the water 100%, but it will not be good for my kois and gold fish if I put tap water there.Crazy
Would you give me some advices hoiw I can change the water?
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cmalgee
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May 29, 2008, 6:11 AM

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Re: [hockhan] Can I change water 100% of my koi pond? [In reply to] Can't Post

hockhan, congrats on your new pond!

A 100% water change can be pretty stressful for the fish (I'm getting ready to do one myself Unsure ) but you can do it. Obviously you have to use de-chlorinator before you'd replace any fish - so you don't have to hunt down some miracle pond water. I would recommend a 10% water change every week or two until everything is looking healthier, then you can cut back to monthly.

I wouldn't do a 100% water change if I were you, though. It seems like most of your problems can be solved with a couple things you'll need to take care of your new pond anyway! First off, make sure you have enough water being cycled and filtered for the size of your pond and fish you have in it. Getting that straight will help keep this from being a recurring cycle (and it will be without it)!

After that's taken care of, the murkiness looks like Green Algae, and you can solve that with a UV Sterilizer/Clarifier. As for the 1" o' muck - It looks like you have a concrete pond, so if you want to clean that out with a shovel, you can. You said your pond is 3' deep - so I'd go get a pond siphon vaccuum, and use that to get that stuff out of there. It may cost more - but if you've ever tried to manually clean a pond with a shovel - you'll see the value in it. Congrats again on your new pond - and when your water is clear let me know if the koi in that pic is a Shiro Utsuri or a Bekko (bottom right corner)!
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Chris

1 sanke, 1 shusui, 1 hariwake, 1 kujaku, 3 shubunkins, and a 5 year old pond comet

(This post was edited by cmalgee on May 29, 2008, 6:20 AM)


ouch
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May 29, 2008, 9:44 AM

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Re: [hockhan] Can I change water 100% of my koi pond? [In reply to] Can't Post

I noticed that you didn't say anything about a filter, which is the heart of any pond. Without a filter, do water changes and cleaning the pond will only very temporarily solve any issues. So the first order of business for a healthy pond is a large efficient filter.


The water quality is terribly bad and I can not see the bottom through.

Just because the water isn't crystal clear doesn't mean the water quality is terrible. Have you used a test kit to determine the pH, ammonia, KH, GH, nitrite, nitrate, 02, etc? If you haven't, then you don't know what the water quality is like.

There is gummy stuff at the bottom (about 1' thick) and top water is green.
I think I should change the water 100%, but it will not be good for my kois and gold fish if I put tap water there.
Would you give me some advices hoiw I can change the water?

I hope you meant 1" thick, not 1'?
Usually it is not a good idea to do a 100% water change, but in your case with a large layer of muck at the bottom, I would drain the pond, clean it, and start over. Of course, if you don't have a filter yet, then drain the pond and set up the filter at the same time. Again, you need to get rid of that muck at the bottom initially, but without a filter you will have the same problem again and again.
You can also use a pond vac to clean the bottom, and then do a few small water changes, but if you don't have access to a pond vac then this won't work.

To do a water change, have a holding tank (the bigger the better) ready, with a pump vigorously aerating the water in the tank. If your pond water has no ammonia and a decent pH, you can fill the holding tank using the pond water. Otherwise use tap water and a dechlor and ammonia binder (such as amquel).
Drain the pond, clean out the muck, and then refill it with tap water again using dechlor.

Your stocking density is low which is good.

Once again, I can't stress how important it is to set up a filter if you haven't done so already.

The poster above mentioned using a UV light to get rid of the algae, and I have seen this suggestion a lot on this board. This method does work, but it only masks the problem, which is too many nitrates produced from muck decaying in the pond. Thus, to truly solve the single celled algae issue, you must have an efficient filter.



(This post was edited by ouch on May 29, 2008, 9:46 AM)


cmalgee
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May 29, 2008, 11:41 AM

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Re: [ouch] Can I change water 100% of my koi pond? [In reply to] Can't Post

ouch, I'd never thought of the UV sterilizer solving the visible problem, but not the cause of the problem (that's a bigger one). Thanks!
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Chris

1 sanke, 1 shusui, 1 hariwake, 1 kujaku, 3 shubunkins, and a 5 year old pond comet


hockhan
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May 30, 2008, 1:33 PM

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Re: [ouch] Can I change water 100% of my koi pond? [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes! I have a new pump and filtering system with UV to be installed, but, due to the serious water condition, I'm thinking to change the water 100% then install the new system. The gummy stuff at the bottom is surely over 1 feet thick. The reason why I want to change whole water, or at least take out top water to remove the gummy layer.

Without changing water, is there any way to remove the gummy stuff at the bottom?
As I'm a new for Koi pond, your advice is so precious to me.
Thanks again.


(This post was edited by hockhan on May 30, 2008, 1:35 PM)


ouch
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May 31, 2008, 12:21 AM

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Re: [hockhan] Can I change water 100% of my koi pond? [In reply to] Can't Post

Definitely drain the pond, clean it out, and refill it.
Be sure to use dechlor when refilling.

Get the filter up and running immediately after cleaning out the pond.

What filter do you have?

 
 
 



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