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bindusar
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Aug 8, 2006, 11:42 AM

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Hello all. I just completed a 1200gal project and will be adding several koi next week (already purchased). This is my second pond, the first being a tiny preform (160gal) but it was enough to get me hooked. I am busy trying to read up on the criticals ATM but am having a little difficulty in that I am not really sure what constitutes "critical" info as to caring for koi. Currently the goldfish that were in the original are back in the new one and all are fine. While I have a bit more sun exposure than I would like, the algae is in check (a little string is present) and the lillies, water lettuce and hyacinth are growing well and might be at about 60-65% coverage. Filtration is via a 3" bottom drain and a Savio Skimmerfilter with an Oase Atlantis 3000 pump feeding an Atlantic filterfalls with springflo media. I also have a 25W uv clarifier available but not in use as my green water self resolved. Last I checked the amonia and nitrites were zero but the pH was high and the salt was low. Getting the salt level up is not a problem but I have never had any luck with the pH...it was always high in the first pond as well. I have come across one thread that discussed pH varience so I will be checking it tomorrow first thing and then again in the evening to see if it changes. If there is little change (assuming that it is not blue to begin with so I can actually read the level...simple pH tester) and it is still high, what can I use besides water changes to help get the level down? This is my biggest concern ATM as I do not want to hurt the new koi by introducing them to that higher pH. I will come back tomorrow with the pH readings so you all have a better idea where it is.


andymadd
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Aug 8, 2006, 2:10 PM

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Hi

You talk about a "high" PH but you don't give figures. How high ?

I PH of upto 8.5 is fine so long as its stable also I would only add your Koi one at a time over a few weeks to prevent a filter overload.

Salt ??? these are a fresh water fish and should not live in salted water its only used for treatment in short sharp baths.

Andy


bindusar
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Aug 8, 2006, 2:43 PM

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Thanks for the nudge. I had been under the impression that salt at low levels (.1-.2%) was benefitial to the fish, especially at times of increased stress. After searching here and reading more the subject got clear as mud. It seems there are two camps on this one. Being a future nurse personally I believe in medicating as little as possible. Since the salt functions medicinally I am leaning towards not using it habitually. As to the pH #'s, I will have them tomorrow. Given the level of accuracy that you all are reading pH, where can I go to get an accurate pH tester? Will a pool supply have one that will do the trick or will I have to resort to ordering a special one online? What I am using currently is a simple pond water test kit by Pond Care that checks pH, nitrites, ammonia and salt levels and the pH range is 5.0-9.0 with the color gradients broken down to only .5.


andymadd
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Aug 8, 2006, 2:49 PM

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Sounds like your test kit will be fine.I don't know about swimming pool kits I always use one from a Koi dealer.

Andy


Mr Bump
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Aug 8, 2006, 6:41 PM

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You can buy digital pH testers, but they are expensive and TBH the colour gradient litmus paper tests will give you a good enough idea of what the pH is anyway - you don't really need to know to the closest .1! And yeah, slightly alkalie water isn't a problem, if that's what you have - mine is 8.2 and the fish are fine! (And the reason I know the figure so precisely is because my girlfriend works in a lab and has access to an expensive high grade digital pH meter!)

As for salt, if you can get your pond up to about 0.1% saline, it is very beneficial to the fish (helps gill action) and is a good pH buffer (to stop any wild pH swings), so it's worth adding. Don't add table salt though - buy proper pond salt from a koi or aquatic shop.


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I also have a 25W uv clarifier available but not in use as my green water self resolved. Last I checked the amonia and nitrites were zero



You will probably need the UV once the fish are insitue - and I would expect the nitrates etc to be zero if you have no fish in there yet - it's once they are in that you have to watch. Add your fish a few at a time if you can, with maybe a week or so between each addition, to give the filter a chance to get up to speed. The thing with bio filters is they won't get going without fish waste to feed off, but if you chuck a whole load of fish in all at once, the filter won't stand a chance and you'll poison your fish!

Also, once you have some fish in there, feed them very little or not at all to start with - I know it's difficult when your Koi are all looking at you like they haven't eaten for months on end, pointing imploringly at their empty mouths, but you have to be strong and resist!! Wink


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bindusar
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Aug 8, 2006, 9:53 PM

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Thanks for all the input. I currently have 4 fantail goldfish in the pond that were from the first one and kept inside during the remodel. They range between 3" and 5" and are doing fine so far...3 weeks in the pond and they happened to spawn. I checked the pH and it is about 8.0. I have test strips that go from 6.0 to 10.0 being shipped just so I can narrow it down a bit as I the chart increments are 7.5, 8.0 then 9.0 (nothing in between). Pretty cheap and convenient at 100 strips for $15 US and free shipping. I do have the proper pond salt and will add it for now just when adding the new fish to help their transition.

Thanks again for the help.

 
 
 



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