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nyphonejacks
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Nov 26, 2006, 6:52 AM

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hello I am new to the fourm.. I have 3 tanks.. a 25? hex 33L and 55. the hex has assorted small fish, the 33L and 55 are my koi / commet tanks. Each has 3 koi and 1 commet, with 2 suckys each. hex tank is clear ph was alittle low last test, 33L is clear ph was very high, but all other tests were good, 55 was cloudy, didnt do all tests on the water, as the ph and ammonia was off, so i changed the water. the water still appears cloudy.. looks more like tiny particles or bubbles in the tank. the 55 has a stone delivering a wall of air bubbles while the other tanks have stupid little things that deliver larger bubbles at a slower rate... hex fish are all 2inches or less... 33L kois & commet range from 3 to 5 inches and the 55 kois & commet are 2- about 3-5 inches 1- about 6-8 inches and 1- about 8-12 inches... before I assume that they have outgrown the tank that I just got several months ago because they outgrew the previous one is there any thing else that can be the cause of the particles? the only diffrence in that tank is the air stone.. and the fact that these fish eat pellets, while the other tanks are still on flakes.. and the tank isnt being overfed... the fish may be.. because they suck up all the food as soon as i drop it in the tank, that they get fed several times.


tanks:
25? gal hex / assorted small fish / whisper 2.0 / air tech 2k0
33L gal / 3 koi 1 commet 2 suckys / aquaclear 50 / penn plax silent air x4 (shared w/55)
55 gal / 3 koi 1 commet 2 suckys / aquaclear 500 / penn plax silent air x4 (shared w/33L)


sunshinekoi
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Nov 27, 2006, 8:56 AM

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nyphonejacks,
Cloudiness could be due to incoming water of excessive calcium carbonate or due to the fish food. You need to check the incoming water. Excessive oxygen is good which it aids bacteria to convert ammonia to nitrite and nitrate faster.
sunshine


nyphonejacks
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Nov 28, 2006, 10:08 AM

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calcium carbonate? is there a test or something that I can do to test for this?

the test kits that i have only test PH ammoina nitrate and nitrite. is there any other tests that i should be doing for my tanks?

I normallay dont change filter elements untill, or unless tests show that i should or if they become clogged.. the water supply to the other 2 tanks are from the same source so i dont belive the cloudyness or small dust like particles i guess you could call it are comming from the source.. if it is the smaller filters on the smaller tanks are doing a much better job at removing them then the 55 gal tank.. i would consider adding live plants into the tank.. however the decorations on the bottom of the tank are all knocked over.. they didnt like them any more i guess lol .. so i know that any live plants that i would put into the tank would only be destoryed almost as soon as i put them into the tank..


koiguyoz
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Nov 28, 2006, 5:36 PM

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I normallay dont change filter elements untill, or unless tests show that i should or if they become clogged..

It sounds as if you are replacing filter elements. Would that be correct?

If you are, then you should consider washing the elements in a container filled with tank/pond water instead of replacing them. By replacing the media, you would have lost all the good bacteria responsible for the conversion of ammonia and nitrites since a majority are housed within your filter elements.


sunshinekoi
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Nov 29, 2006, 2:47 PM

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jacks,
general hardness test is a measure of calcium carbonate. I don't know what area you are from but my place incoming water source always cloudy which is why I bring it up to you for you to check.
One other possibility of cloudiness which I just remember is probably due to your several time feeding per day frequency which cloud the water.
Sunshine


koifishgirl
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Nov 29, 2006, 10:03 PM

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You can never have to much air in your tanks, but you can't have to many fish.Wink
Judy


DocRodConrad
Koi Lover

Jan 31, 2007, 10:23 AM

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Too much aeration will drive the pH too high, especially with low GH, since aeration drives off carbon dioxide to increase pH.

So, YES, you can have too much aeration if you drive pH too high with the excessive aeration.
Roddy Conrad, Charleston, WV, USA


DocRodConrad
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Feb 1, 2007, 6:42 AM

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A graphic representation of the aeration issue and pH is given in a picture from a master's thesis in Aquaculture below:
Roddy Conrad, Charleston, WV, USA
Attachments: CO2 (2).jpg (13.8 KB)


ayranjim
Koi Lover

Feb 9, 2007, 12:55 AM

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Hello,very good! We need the best info possible! Sometimes it may not apply to most people , but some of us need very technical info! Thanks

 
 
 



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