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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 8:42 PM

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The second pond visit to Dr.Zhang’s house went on as scheduled on 18/03/07 from 11am. A steady stream of members with their beloved ones came to Dr.Zhang’s house. Dr.his wife, father and mother greeted us with smiles.

Delicious snacks and drinks were served. Mr. Vincent once again helped to net the beautiful kois and our subang Wong gave his vivid comments.

I am sure you will agree with me that pond visits are getting crazy! These pictures will tell the story.


Members in attendence




Dr.Zhang " i followed your advice but but ..."
Hkk
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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 8:57 PM

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The pond..




Hidden Bakki shower..
Hkk
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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 9:06 PM

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conventional filter.




Healthy kois - no untoward signs whatsoever
Hkk
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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 9:19 PM

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Another Bakki shower.




Dr Zhang- "The kois are really growing fast"
Hkk
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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 9:28 PM

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Junior Zhang - future koi hobbyist?


Members having a good time..
Hkk
Mohan. Cool


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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 9:48 PM

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our supporting dealer who never miss koi pond visits..
Hkk
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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 9:55 PM

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Looks like soon ladies will out number man..


Mr. Eng explaining the filter system to a new comer..
Hkk
Mohan. Cool


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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 10:02 PM

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Another aspect of Dr. Zhang's hobby.. Bonsais




Hkk
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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 10:06 PM

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Food, food - plenty to eat, Plenty to see..why stay at home? Don't miss
the next visit.



more food & drinks.
Hkk
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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 10:10 PM

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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 18, 2007, 10:48 PM

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More pictures for you.



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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 19, 2007, 12:01 AM

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our Pixman for the day - Vinod Mohan..



Dr. Zhang's faithful friend..
Hkk
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Mar 19, 2007, 12:11 AM

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Mar 19, 2007, 12:29 AM

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Mar 19, 2007, 12:33 AM

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Mohan Ghandi
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Mar 19, 2007, 12:36 AM

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Can we have your comments please?



Thank you.
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HWONG
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Mar 19, 2007, 6:06 PM

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Mohan, Wow! stayed up so late to post the photos ... TQ brudder. I must say that the turn out was good and I believe for many learned a thing or two. SOme were there to get ideas for their new pond while others were looking out to impprove their water management.

GOOD TURNOUT AND KEEN LEARNERS
We have a senior member who had about gave up the hobby but on his wife's encouragement, he has renewd his interest and is shopping for "new" ways to design a state of the art pond at his new home. I had the opportunity to chat with him about his experience using the latest technology of the day but yet did not yield the results he had hoped for. EBfore the memrgence of the net and Koi forums, what little we know come from fellow hobobyist and dealers but almost always, the practices of the day seldom come with any indepth explainations of why a certain system works.WHile there are no single cure all prescription to water management, today with the world wide web, Hobbyist can be very well informed if they take the effort to surf.
Take for example; why do we need 30 percent surface area for the filter? Why is a trickle tower or a Bakki shower effective in solving nitrate problem.

BIG POND
Lets look at Dr Zhang's pond. It is 30 ftX 9ftX6ft. His filter is about 20% surface area of his pond. He operates 2 shower system. His pond has 2 bottom drain(BD)s. His BD has a 2 pipe system. These are then covered with a big flower pot ringed by a air diffuser. One 3" pipe discharges directly to the drain. must of the shit is flushed out through this pipe. The other pipe is raised 18" above the bottom feeds water to the 1st chamber of his filter.

BIG FILTER
His filter is of a straight flow design and about 20% surface area of the pond. Water travels up down and to the mechanical section of his filter which is filled with brushes and no aeration here to allow solids to settle. Moving on to his biological section which is modeartely aerated are brushes again. He uses brushes for most part of his filter. From here, water travels to the pump chamber through a few rows of biorings hung in nettings to act as biological filter. This area is also moderatley aerated. The water is pump up the 2 Bakki shower system one at each end of the pond. which are made of stacked up milk crates. The shower system is covered with plastic sheets on its side to prevent splashing. Both the showers systems are then partially camourflaged by wood work and brick work to improve aesthetics.

GREEN WATER CHALLENGE
He has close to 50 kois at one time. mostly 40's to 50's cm. His water has been going yoyo and his last bid to get clear water was installing 3 or 4 20 watt Uv lamps. Unfortunately they burned out 1 week B4 the pond visit. and the water truend slightly greenish.

FAST GROWING AND HEALTHY KOIS
Dr Zhang is as he says, learning to keep koi with lower end ones and at 20 to 30 cm at time of purchase. As we have expected, his kois grew very fast in his long pond. SO from the standpint of good growth and disease free, his pond has been successful. His challenge will be to improve water quality to achieve low nitrate levels and to get clear water without the UV lights.

HOW CAN DR ZHANG IMPROVE HIS WATER?
This brings us back to the issue of nitrates and its relation to the filter system.... This is an interested subject and ai would like to keep this part free for discussuion amongts members here to share their ideas on how Dr Zhang can improve his water.

YOUR SUGGESTIONS PLEASE>>>>


thiamhwa
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Mar 19, 2007, 10:53 PM

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Hi Hwong,

I am no expert in pond filtration system but here are some of my comments on Dr. Zhang's
pond system which I suspect could maybe be the cause of his problem.

1) Water flow turnover rate was restricted by the small diameter pipes from the pumps located
in the last chambers supplying to both the Bakki Showers. In addition, the spray bars over the
Bakki Showers are not flowing freely becos' the holes are mostly clogged up with debris. This in
turn slow down the water turnover rate even further.

2) I understand that the plastic sheets covering the Bakki Shower baskets is to prevent water
splashing onto his timber panel doors. I would suggest to remove those plastic sheets to encourage
cross air ventilation and encourage the de-gassing process. I noticed the Bio-rings contained in those
baskets are moldy and sticking together. Not sure whether Bio-rings is a good media to be used in
Bakki Shower system.

3)Lack of oxygen supply in the filtration chambers which is quite obvious.

4)Amount of Biological filter media used probably not enough compared to the size of the pond.

5)Too deep of the filtration chambers could also be a contributor to the water problem.

BTW, the 2 pipes Bottom Drain system ( Mini-Vortex Bottom Drain Concept ) by Mr.Ng is a very clever idea.
Wish I have done that to my pond,CrazyCrazy Hopefully in my future pond system.WinkWink

Best Regards,
Thiam Hwa


HWONG
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Mar 22, 2007, 11:53 PM

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Thiam Hwa,

Want to use double bottom drain pipe in your next pond? Hmmnn.. suggest you get Kopi-right from Ng Yit Kok first. If I am there, kick in loti bakar and half boiled eggs tooLaugh

OK back to Dr Zhang's. Firstly, I think, his pond design is good and should provide the environment for optimal groeth But as you have said, fine-tuning the the filter system and the water turnover rate will further improve what he has now. With what is happening in my newly commisioned pond, I wud say that degassing is the way to go. So improve air-water contact time through the Bakki Shower and lots of aeration in the filter

Turnover rate- He is running 3 X 12K litre per hour pumps for 80 tons of water. This is turning over once every 2.5 hours. I would add another pump to the second Bakki shower.

Aeration in the filter- He runs a 60 or a 80 watt airpump in the filter. I would run another unit of 100 watt to creat a boil in the water to degass and also to provide adequte O2 for the Bacteria to multiply.

I think the brushes are Ok as biological media though.

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE.. Most people will say that a trickle or a Bakki shower help them clear their water by degassing. What is it that is behind this phenomenon? Dont worry if you get it right or wrong.. lets liven up this thread and learn from each other.


koilvr
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Mar 31, 2007, 8:30 PM

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Hi Thiam Hwa/Hwong,

I'm in the process of building a new pond and is currently trying to work on a good bottom drain system.
This 2 pipes Bottom Drain system (or Mini-Vortex Bottom Drain Concept as you call it) sounds like a very good system. Could you care to elaborate more on the design of this system? including the size of piping involved. I would appreciate a drawing if it's not too much of a trouble.

Many thanks in advance.
rudy


HWONG
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Apr 2, 2007, 6:20 PM

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Hi Rudy,

I will try to scan and post here....


Carpa Diem
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Apr 2, 2007, 7:33 PM

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QUESTION FOR EVERYONE.. Most people will say that a trickle or a Bakki shower help them clear their water by degassing. What is it that is behind this phenomenon? Dont worry if you get it right or wrong.. lets liven up this thread and learn from each other.



I came across this article in my water treatment research which may help explain why.

Cheers,
Jeff
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HWONG
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Apr 2, 2007, 11:18 PM

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Jeff, Thks for the article. That explains the work of the nitrobactors on the Ammonia and also the fact that the bigger the surface area the more bacteria to process the Ammonia. If you use a media like Bacteria House or Borings, there is more surface area for more bacteria to grow and to process the Ammonia BUT the down side is the accumulation of dirt in the pores. On the other hand , Bigger media like Bioballs will remain clean but their surface area is less.

There is one more process of degassing which is relevant to both Tricle and Shower systems. I promise I will extract the info amd post here.

Cheers


Carpa Diem
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Apr 3, 2007, 9:33 AM

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This is what businessmen are saying about degassing: http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/qforms.home/qfid/12

Not sure if what they say is correct, but will try running air bubbles through my bakki columns.

These are scientific studies on water treatment which may be useful for DIY tinkering of our pond filter systems:

http://www.hboi.edu/aqua/downloads/pdf/shrimpmanual_chapter4.pdf

http://ressources.ciheam.org/om/pdf/a31/CI971545.pdf

http://www.uest.gr/medaware/workshops/Treatment_Technologies.PPT

Cheers,
Jeff

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