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badboy
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Jun 16, 2008, 10:38 PM

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can any one help i have lost 2 fish was told it was a paracite have spoke to a vet she said it was ulcers and gave me some povodine iodine to dab on the koi as i was catching them more fish have it than i thought please help ...is there someing i can put in the water
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needucho
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Jun 17, 2008, 3:36 AM

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the picture said it all. Your koi have been having a hard time with ulcer, the vet is correct, swab with iodine, then cover the wound by dental powder, the second image show that beside ulcer, secondary disease (green algae on white wound) start to appear. Please read my post on ulcer and SAP or Flexibacter Columnaris. couple days ago, on this site.
Nornally, an ulcer of this size will dissapear in two weeks, follow me thru those procedure and you be alright. After you fixe the fish, remember to clean up your pond real good and salt the pond to .3%, that basiclly is the root of the problem. Parasite is probably out of discusion. with that size of wound, the skin probably be eaten off a week ago, by then, if you do have parasite, then the fish already dead now. Cross your finger and be happy.
samantha


badboy
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Jun 17, 2008, 5:19 AM

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have alredy put 25kg of salt in... was told to put 0.7% as max for my pond whitch is almost 4000 gallons(uk gallons)

Is there any chemical whitch will help


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needucho
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Jun 17, 2008, 10:36 PM

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1kg=2.2 # 25 Kg=55# a pond of 4000 gallon need at least 100# (4 big bags) so you need to add another 25 kg to your pond to reach .3%. Adding .7% is only used when you deep in about 1 hour. Too much salt will make fish real itching and produce too much mucus, it may block the gill. There is some chemical help the fish relax, but pretty expensive, or some chemical that eliminate Aeromonas (main bateria create ulcer) like metalix (if i spell right) or Medzyme but many hobbyist found that does'nt help much.
oh i'm sorry did you mention that you already have 2 fish died? can you told us what condition before it die? does it separate themself from the bunch.... Koi died real fast with parasite within a week, some died a bunch, some disease spread out slowly and do the killing. Ulcer take time, the wound get large and the fish perish then died. in this case you may need a microscope to see what parasite in it, then use chemical to eliminate them. In case you do not have a scope, use a shotgun method as i mentioned several time in this site. Think get complicate now, please bear with it.
samantha

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badboy
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Jun 18, 2008, 5:31 AM

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the 1st fish that had it we called lazy as he sat on the bottom for days then it was fine for a while sometimes months but it was winter.small patche of razed scales then the holes started then red lines i think septacemea then death all in all i think 6 months .. was puting ulcer swab and wound seal on them but didnt help.so tryed a mfg dip as i have tench.2nd one died 2-3 weeks after that was about 1 week ago now .hole under the jaw was not nice .. about 50% af my fish have it now but small .but my big mirror carp about 15ib (7kg) has 2 small holes in his belly would hate to lose him my 1st ever fish 16 years ald now..
my koi suplyer told me 25kg salt was enough ..
im having my water tested just waiting results from the vet ..im expecting qualitynot to good

thanks samantha

scot


needucho
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Jun 18, 2008, 9:53 PM

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for that much of problem you do have, i think you should consider bying a microscope, there is no doubt that you have ulcer on all your fish, and there is a great posibility that you do not have parasite, but it safe to to make sure. A microscope will answer you that.
here is a way you can do without microscope, but it probably cost you more than a microscope: fix all your fish with ulcer treatment, move all in a new pond with filtering system treat the fish with ProformC inh 3 treatments then treat Supavern in 10 days. you will have non parasite fish ready. meanwhile drain your pond clean everything in your way, get rid of all plant, rock... in your pond, leave it dry in couple days then fill in with new water salt the pond and ready for the fish. If you do not have another pond to move the fish, then you can treat the fish in your old pond. But drain to about 1/2 volume to save chemical.
.3% salt is standard for the fish to feel relax and produce slime to batter bacteria. fish has .9% salt in their body, if you have .3% salt in your pond, fish then with not work that hard to acquire enough salt to his body thru the gill. Less salt in the pond, he have to work harder, ( not as we wanted ). the same time the slime will not produce as much to protect his body.
Water quality plays a good part in koi inmune system, a good water will enhance fish ability to fight bacteria and desease, and i think you should know that when you first start the hobby.
samantha

 
 
 



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