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koi@kit
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May 8, 2006, 8:31 PM

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hi all cifus..

just upgrade my filter system.. old system used a dry sump for bottom drain water remove to drain.. new system i connect my pond bottom drain to the dry sump, making the dry sump as pre filter to supply water to my BH.. heres some pictures to share.. comment welcome.. btw, the initial idea come from master cifu koi38.. Wink

4 white pipe is filter bottom drain, 2 grey pipe is bottom drain from mani pond.
1 white pipe on the bottom left of pictures is over flow pipe.

the grey pipe top left is feed to pump..
4 filter bottom drain pipe remains..
the new 4 in white pipe is to stop water from flow to drain..
2 4in grey pipe for from pond BD was removed..
bottom left picture show my new over flow pipe connect to drain..

closer picture to show my overflow pipe from pond to waste..

cheers..

sunshinekoi
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May 8, 2006, 9:43 PM

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Cifu,
Maybe you sketch out a simple layout from old to new would be easier to understand. Crazy

But I know what you are doing. Sly

Sunshine

koi@kit
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May 8, 2006, 10:04 PM

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THIS IS MY OLD SYSTEM...

THIS IS THE NEW SYSTEM..
except the 'new transfer pipe' was not used, instead a pump is used to transfer water to BH..

cheers..

sunshinekoi
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May 8, 2006, 10:38 PM

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Kit,
Idea is pond to settlement tank, then to BH. Your kois have proved the system works really good. Laugh

The beauty of koi has started to shine! Cool

What's the nitrate and nitrite right now? Are they improving low and insignificant?? Your daily data will shows its efficiency compare to your old system.

Bravo! the next level up!! Laugh

SunshineKoi

koi@kit
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May 8, 2006, 10:45 PM

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notice the 1st picture the colour of the bubbles are clearer than those of picture 2 (before BH feed from BD)
picture 2 shows more greenish ... any comment on the colour of picture 1? blue may be? Wink

perhaps picture 3 is a better comparison with picture 2.. pond floor also less brown film algae...

btw nitrate level drop from 100ppm to 20ppm... in just 1 week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

koi@kit
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May 8, 2006, 10:52 PM

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yoo sunshine..

u r very lucky to see with ur own eyes the improvement of my water quality and also the improvement of the skin quality of my koi.. well, as thiamhwa also experience, my koi's appetite also improved... a lot...

hope to see more improvement in time to come.. btw the present BH used is only 60kg.. hope to oder more end of this month..

notice the changes in colour of the BH in just 1 wk in used.. look a bit brownish as it used to be very white..

cheers..

sunshinekoi
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May 8, 2006, 11:02 PM

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Kit,
I can remember your water is clearer but didnt see the oxygen colour. Crazy

Anyway, the important thing is the quality of skin has improved a lot compare to 1 week ago when I visited you. I am surprise your nitrate is high but now is fairly low. I would aim for less than 5ppm but it is hard. I can only maintain 15ppm with my heavy feeding in the weekend. Unsure

. Guess have to plant some friendly green plant without clogging and some more experiments to bring the water parameter to the optimum. Tongue

Too many parameters to play with and it is fun! Wink

Sunshinekoi

thiamhwa
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May 8, 2006, 11:37 PM

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Hi Sifu Kit,

You have done a very neat up-grading job to your filter chambers. From your photos and diagrams posted, if I may high-light to you the following questions:-

1) I think the 4 nos. of white pipes from the existing chamber should be cut about 6 inches
lower so that water from that chamber can flow into the new chamber created. It seem
to me that the mid-water flowing into the existing chamber is close off at the moment.
Am I right or wrong?

2) What diameter size of pipe did you used from the pump to your Bakki Shower? From the
photos, I think the pipe used is too small. You should provide a bigger diameter pipe so
that vast amount of water can be pump up to the Bakki Shower trays to create a shower
effect on the Bacteria House media inorder to be effective unlike Trickle Tower Shower
requirements.

3) Since you do not have a bottom drain discharge outlet connected from the new chamber
to any external drain. I think in this case, you will need to install a surface dry pump
connected with a rubber hose to symphon out all the dirts which will eventually be
collected at the base of both the settlement chambers occasionally. If not, the dirts
build up over a period of time & which are not clear away will eventually lead to water
problems in your pond.

Best Regards,
ThiamHwa

koi@kit
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May 9, 2006, 8:47 AM

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Hi thiamhwa..

1) I think the 4 nos. of white pipes from the existing chamber should be cut about 6 inches
lower so that water from that chamber can flow into the new chamber created. It seem
to me that the mid-water flowing into the existing chamber is close off at the moment.
Am I right or wrong?
the mid water feed is still flowing, sorry the diagram not clear.
u r rite, i shud remove the 4 pipe feeding the bottom drain of izeki filter, then my other
filter will have cleaner bottom.. maintanant only at the new pre filter.. tks. Wink

2) What diameter size of pipe did you used from the pump to your Bakki Shower? From the
photos, I think the pipe used is too small. You should provide a bigger diameter pipe so
that vast amount of water can be pump up to the Bakki Shower trays to create a shower
effect on the Bacteria House media inorder to be effective unlike Trickle Tower Shower
requirements.
at this moment the pipe i used is inlet to pump is 2in, oulet is slightly smaller 1 3/4 ins..
since my water pump is only 0.5hp bigger pipe will reduce pressure.. will show u more pictures..

3) Since you do not have a bottom drain discharge outlet connected from the new chamber
to any external drain. I think in this case, you will need to install a surface dry pump
connected with a rubber hose to symphon out all the dirts which will eventually be
collected at the base of both the settlement chambers occasionally. If not, the dirts
build up over a period of time & which are not clear away will eventually lead to water
problems in your pond.
yes u r rite, but i clear my pre filter every 3 days.. strangely not soo much waste, so i guess i have
to clear off the pre filter once a week..

many thanks thiamhwa for ur advice and suggestion..

regards
kit

koi@kit
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May 9, 2006, 8:52 AM

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hi sunshine..

correction to my nitrate level.. dis morning measured 40ppm.. may b due to over feeding last nite.. hehehehheh
btw i also planted some 'kunyam' bamboo hope to reduce nitrate further... u must have seen it near my BH rite?

remember my quaratin pond? the one i only use lava rock as TT? the nitrate is shocking less than 10ppm...
but as u have see the water quality.. great rite? hahahahhah

sunshinekoi
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May 9, 2006, 9:11 AM

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Kit,
With some inspiration, I figure out a lazy way to do it on Lava rock TT. Laugh

High oxygen, high surface area, high water/lava rock contact area and very low pump power. Wink

will try it out and let you know the result! Laugh

sunshinekoi Laugh

thiamhwa
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May 9, 2006, 9:20 AM

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Hi Kit,

Just one more suggestion for your up-graded filter. You may want to consider placing an up-right elbow to the in coming mid-water into
your existing settlement chamber and have a 6 inches raised up perforated plastic grating layer at the base for placing additional BH media.
The BH will be then used as submerged BH filter media which is similar to Vincent's 150 pond system in Kepong Koi.
Just a thought.

Regards,
ThiamHwa

koi@kit
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May 9, 2006, 11:08 AM

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Hi thiamhwa..

yes i got that in mine, tks for reminding me.. my pre filter's elbow too high, so i can make my submerge BH in prefilter. so i gonna make one at the second chamber.. exactly wat u have said earlier, 6in above ground with grating layer.. will take picture n show u all when it finally done.. now planning to get a new air pump to supply areation to the submerge BH..

hi sinshine..

dont talk and suspend all of us here lah... a simple drawing to show ur new finding will be better lah.. Tongue

cheers guys..

sunshinekoi
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May 9, 2006, 11:47 AM

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kit,
wait. I will test pilot it and take some pictures lah. Not stylish one but one can work. Tongue

I am just too lazy to set it up properly, hahahaha Sly

Meanwhile I will let your thrist continues and run dry for a while. hahahah Laugh

Sunshinekoi

koi@kit
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May 9, 2006, 1:38 PM

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yoo sunshine..

Meanwhile I will let your thrist continues and run dry for a while. hahahah
dont think i will as i got better system to set up as my next project. hahahahahahha

Koi38
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May 9, 2006, 6:36 PM

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Yoo Kit,

Glad to know your koi are much happier than before. More appetite means more growth...........must have have deep pockets with no holes Laugh

I'm very happy for you and your koi Wink

Any more pics to share Crazy

rgds,
Jon

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kemeer
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May 9, 2006, 9:16 PM

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yoo cifu,

Your water looks really blue la..... you put water color in it?? Tongue

..... Have to personally inspect the set-up..... So can learn more ro teach to uncles and more uncles.... hahaha....... Can i bring them alongb the next time i go there.... Smile

.... Oh yeah, i thought you also had a Murata kohaku in there?? Sold??

koi@kit
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May 9, 2006, 10:19 PM

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yoo cifu kemeer..

no colour added.. just additional BH hehehehehhe... gonna add another 140kg within this year..

no problem, u can bring ur uncle to visit me next time, but my pond so so only lah..

yes i got murata kohaku.. gonna reduce my koi, so, she had to go.. another koi to go is the small chagoi..but have to wait till 3rd week of june after my 'bet' with nelson.. hehehehehheh u intrested in both koi? i also got ochiba, soragoi, ginrin showa and showa of size 15 to 20cm..

cheers

koi@kit
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May 9, 2006, 10:36 PM

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master cifu jon...

many thanks for the compliments... Wink

more picture??? sure bro... here goes.....

picture one shows the latest water condition, pic 2 show before the upgrade..

btw another add on.. moving bed filter.. Wink

Koi38
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May 9, 2006, 11:03 PM

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Hi Kit,

I can see the diff in water clarity Cool

Pic one shows water is much clearer than pic 2 with a bit of green tint, good job man...................very well done. Can't wait your reports once you got all the 140kg of BH Wink

Just a question about your moving bed not to critic but I've noticed you're using bioballs instead of K1 media or similar. From my understanding of moving bed filters, media are constantly moving by air thus improve good bacteria colonization. Are those balls moving at all? If so I gues you can call it one Crazy

I could be wrong Pirate

rgds,
Jon

"DuKu Friendly"
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koi@kit
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May 10, 2006, 10:52 AM

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hi master cifu jon.,.

u r rite.. u got sharp eye lah bro... i m using bioball, since i got extra.. they are not moving dat much thou.. guess i cant call it moving bed, may be slow moving bed? Laugh

i got a lot of xtra lava rock (abt 200kg) and over 1000pc of bioballs.. any suggestion wat shud i do with them?

any way to improve my bioball moving bed?

regards
kit

sunshinekoi
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May 10, 2006, 11:18 AM

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Kit,
sell some of your lava rock to me lah, can? Laugh

Sunshine

koi@kit
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May 10, 2006, 11:29 AM

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hi cifu sunshine..

no problem.. dafish also want, i m gonna do the auction style then hahahahahhha.. higher bitter gets all.. Sly

PM me ur bitting price.. hahahahahhahahah

may be u want half part or the whole drum... may be bioballs? Laugh

Koi38
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May 10, 2006, 6:19 PM

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Hi Kit,

Maybe if you can reduce the amount of bioballs in the drum they move more Crazy

If I have lava rocks and bio balls I would use them in TT application. That is best way I can think of for now Wink

But if you want to auction them I'm 100% behind you.....more money for BH Laugh

rgds,
Jon

"DuKu Friendly"
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"No one is ever too old to know better"

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koi@kit
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May 10, 2006, 10:10 PM

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yoo master cifu..

i think i will keep the lava rock, for future project or may be installing a TT with lava rock n bioballs..

thanks for ur support, but BH is coming again regardless of the auction.. Sly

regards
kit

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