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koi@kit
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Jan 17, 2006, 10:24 PM

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hi all..

follow koimann and paul's advice... i finally decide to improve my water quality rather than concentrate on koi growth.. beside adding BH. to my system.. now i use izeki's super clean c.. all this while i only uses 20g for my pond, which koimann and paul think is too little, so tonite on the 17th january i uses 60g for my water.. water very cloudy, koi flick a bit due to the dust from super clean c.

will see my water condition tomorrow n update the improve of my water by daily basis.. today's reading..

ammonia = 0
nitrite = 0
nitrate = 50ppm
pH = 7.3
temp = 27'c

those intrested in sharing their water condition here are also welcome..

Koi38
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Jan 17, 2006, 10:27 PM

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Hi Kit,

I'm gonna keep an eye on you, I mean on this Tongue

Just curious what kind of water quality improvement result you'll get Smile

So far current reading are good Cool

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Koimann
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Jan 17, 2006, 10:39 PM

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Wah cifu,very soon I better stop posting in forum.You are getting to be expert already Sly

.Your NO3(nitrates)a bit high.Do keep us update on your water improvment.

koi@kit
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Jan 17, 2006, 10:39 PM

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master koi38..

yap the water is ok, just a bit greenish but can see bottom drain very clearly thou.. my pond is 6ft in deep.

my koi eat a lot, grow too fast.. hi start to fade.. hopefully with the better water purification the koi's skin quality will be better.. finger cross Wink

gonna feed only colour food for the next 2 mth follow the advice from master cifu koimann n master cifu paul.. Sly

koi@kit
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Jan 17, 2006, 10:42 PM

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yoo master cifu..

yap u r rite, my nitrate is high, wats the best reading? i mean the minimum.. may b bcoz of my high nitrate my water a bit greenish.. i got 1000 bioballs.. hope it do reduce nitrate.. Crazy

Koi38
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Jan 17, 2006, 10:44 PM

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Hi Kit,

Koimann was right, you nitrate is a bit high, my bad Unsure

Here the acceptable level is 40ppm below Smile

Not enough good guys to control nitrate???

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Koimann
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Jan 17, 2006, 10:53 PM

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I think the best is around 5-10ppm.But nothing above 20ppm still ok.

koi@kit
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Jan 18, 2006, 1:17 PM

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yoo master cifu koimann n koi38..

any suggestion to reduce nitrate?? master koi38, wat u use to reduce nitrate? master koimann?

by the way.. woke up late today so no time to check water parameter dis morning, but seems like my water still very milky.. cud it b my filter not working or cud it be due to the izeki's super clean c.. i tot they clear off after a few hours??

menghun
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Jan 18, 2006, 4:31 PM

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Dear Kit,

just went to my koi dealer just now....for the temp, they always maintain at around 20'c. according to them, at this temp, the koi can easily maintain their Hi & improve the shiroji. what is ur comment on this?

and also for the oxigen, what is ur reading?? Wink

cheers,
menghun

Koi38
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Jan 18, 2006, 4:50 PM

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Sifu Kit,

The only thing I know that can reduce nitrate is TT system. Obviously the larger the TT the more media you have. Now if you have a large TT you can have a strong flow of water but it will also need lots of air. This kind of system will work really well by reducing NO3. Smile

Sorry sifu, not familiar with "izeki's super clean c". Other ways are to reduce feeding or reduce stocking Pirate

rgds,
Jon

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koi@kit
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Jan 18, 2006, 6:47 PM

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yoo menghun..

i ever read from somewhere in this forum dat koi's hi n shiroji are better at lower temperature. if not mistaken is 25'c or 26'c.. too low koi might lose appetite..

the shiroji improve coz the koi produce something to combat the coldness thus make the koi more white. the hi are also thicker at lower temp.. i cud be wrong.. dont believe me 100%..

for my oxygen, shud be sufficient, never measured thou.. i got two air pump pumping two air ring in the pond plus a mini trikle tower with 1000 bioball n 10kg BH.. will DIY the TT following master cifu koi38's advice.. 'blue drum TT' Wink

koi@kit
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Jan 18, 2006, 7:00 PM

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yoo master cifu koi38..

will improve my TT system using the 'blue drum'.. i oredi reduce my current stock from 9 to 6 koi.. will need to reduce 2 more.. reduce feeding.. hmmm very hard for me.. i love to feed koi Wink

i did post the information abt 'super clean c' before.. here there are.. may be after reading this u can give some comment.

SUPER CLEAN C (Fermentation resolution enzyme)

Super Clean C is for use in concrete ponds and other artificial ponds installed with a filtration system. The aim of the product is to turn organic matter in the water into inorganic matter, and to increse the size of suspended solids(SS) so as to make filtration more effective.

Fermentation resolves an underwater organic matter and it makes flock of dirt large and is easy to filter. If You put 1g of fermentation resolution enzyme in each 1t of water every evening and keep water white-muddy and white skin will become fantastic pure color. To prevent deteriotion of skin of koi in the transportation, dissolve 15-20g of enzyme to bucket of water and put it to the tank slowly. The best PH is 7-8. If DO is higher, the effect will be better.

Koi38
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Jan 18, 2006, 7:33 PM

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Hi Kit,

I've read your post regrding that chemical, still never heard it before Crazy

I told you I don't go out much, maybe I should Laugh

I don't like using chemical in my pond. The only thing I use are salt and PP. I don't even have salt in my pond. I beleive having good filtrations will avoid using chemicals in you pond, that's my opinion some else may have different views when it comes to chemicals Smile

rgds,
Jon

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Koimann
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Jan 18, 2006, 8:01 PM

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Aiyo Cifu Kit,
Dont get so complicated.Just remember that kois need lots of oxygen.They also like to eat and shit Crazy

.So the faster you take all the shit from the water the better.A TT will help reduce your nitrates level.As for temp,in lower temperatures koi tends to have better hi colour and white.In warmer temp,koi have better sumi and they are more active.

koi@kit
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Jan 18, 2006, 8:35 PM

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yoo master cifu koimann..

why now then u clear evrything????? making the post reply sooooo many hahahahahahahhahaha..

comment on 'super clean c???' Wink

Koimann
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Jan 18, 2006, 8:50 PM

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I also want to hear other's comments lah.Good for everybody to share their experiences.I have used Super Clean C before, but didnt notice any difference.I think, I still have 3 or 4 packets Sly

.I prefered to use Refresh(Montronollite Clay).Its good for the luster of the koi's skin and also makes them active and have good appetite.Sometimes I put a little into the paste feed.

koi@kit
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Jan 18, 2006, 8:56 PM

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yoo master cifu..

just switch off my pond's light.. my water more greenish than before i add super clean c.. had been the second nite.. water condition dont improve at all.. may b the test kit expired..

will try 'refresh' n start check water condition after use next time.. n also buy new test kit Wink

Koimann
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Jan 18, 2006, 9:02 PM

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Hahaha maybe your Super Clean C expired already Sly

.I know theres a thread about Refresh and Clay.Later I will let you know.

Nelson
Koi Lover

Jan 18, 2006, 9:48 PM

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Kitmatoro, Wink

What is your status on your water parameters?? so which is better Super Clean or the one that Koimann's using (clay)??

I also want to experiment bro..hehehe
Cheers
Nel

Koimann
Koi Lover

Jan 18, 2006, 10:12 PM

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Yo Nelson,
Check with Cifu Kit info about clay.He can tell you Wink

koi@kit
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Jan 19, 2006, 8:44 AM

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yoo nelsontaro..

usually i will experiment 1st, if ok then i introduce to u.. 1 person fail is better than 2 failure..

yoo master cifu..

havent got the info on CLAY.. why not u fill us with ur wisdom Wink

koi@kit
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Jan 23, 2006, 10:11 PM

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yoo all..

after 6 days of using the 'super clean c'.. kaboom... my water very 'crystal clear'... even at heavy feeding.. during the 6 day i sweep the 1st chamber twice, clear 2 bottom drain twice a day.. here's my reading..
ammonia - 0
nitrite - 0
nitrate - 2ppm
pH - 7.5

i start notoce the improvement of my water in the 4th day.. but didnt read the water parameters.. i guess all the 'dust' clamp by the 'super clean c' take a few days for my filter to do its job..

even the algae on he pond wall n bottom are light green now.. as good as koimann's carpet grass.. Wink

Koi38
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Jan 24, 2006, 7:17 AM

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Hi Kit,

Just curious why the algae on the pond was brownish in color in the first place, something could have cost it Crazy

Anyway, I'm glad that "super clean c" is started working for you with good results Cool

How often would you use this product???

rgds,
Jon

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koi@kit
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Jan 24, 2006, 8:55 AM

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yoo master cifu koi38..

i think the brown algae on the wall is cause by high nitrate or even waste or dust.. as SCC clamp all inorganic making it easy for filter to do their job, n SCC also dissolve ammonia( no ammonia, no nitrite, thus no nitrate, sounds logic?)

i m gonna use SCC every week, but will reduce the dosage if the water condition is still ok.. dat day i used 60g for my 20ton water.. for maintenant i will only use 20g..

i also will use 'onitaiji' or 'refresh' powder for my pond once a week to ensure the water is 'fresh'..

Koi38
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Jan 24, 2006, 9:09 AM

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Hi Kit,

Have you thought about the effect of this chemicals in your koi???

I know they do improve water quality, what about the koi???

Just my 2cents concern Tongue

rgds,
Jon

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