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Soelistyo
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Aug 3, 2004, 2:49 PM

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hmmm, seems nobody has posted on the Indonesia board? Unsure

let me start it then, though i doubt anyone will jump in.

anyone else from Indonesia? I'm a hobbyist in Jakarta.

luckyl
Koi Lover

Aug 6, 2004, 12:10 PM

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Yeap, Still nobody reply !!!!

I know we have koilvr & rf510 (both from west Jakarta, just like myself). But where r u guys ???.... Busy with business or busing trying to tame your koi..... Laugh

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The rest please feel free to join. I beleive we have quite a bit hobiis in Indo. Lets join, make a team, fight the kaki's from malaysia and singapore. They have momo, we will have mimi Sly

(Indomi, supermi.....)

I manage to visit soelis's pond last months with his 85cm ++ soragoi and still growing. Can't wait to see his 3 magoi kohaku joining his pond and watch them grow jumbosssss.....

So Indonesian...Indonesian... Where r u ???????

Luckyl

Soelistyo
Koi Lover

Aug 6, 2004, 12:53 PM

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hy Lukyl
seems like we're the only ones from indonesia who check on the forum regularly.
i'm going to have just 2 of the magoi kohaku. sold one to another friend. so you take one, he takes one, i take 2.
i let you have first choice lah. we have good chance of getting female (fingers crossed).
my pond is going to be a bit crowded because i'm bringing back 2 40-50cm murakami gosankes (the ones i had left behind in singapore). want to help me sell a 50cm Isa male showa? Tongue

luckyl
Koi Lover

Aug 6, 2004, 4:24 PM

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Male ??? Always problem !!!!!! Why ??? They keep chasing the matured female and make water splash out.
All wet.... Crazy

I have a female showa full of eggs. So if he join, he is going to add more trouble to my pond.

Btw, how much it cost ? a peny ??? another thought then...ha....ha........ Cool

Happy Koi hunting....

Luckyl

Soelistyo
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Aug 6, 2004, 4:36 PM

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don't worry, i think my male showa is gay.
Sly

koi 888
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Aug 11, 2004, 2:41 PM

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Hi guys

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I am from Indo too. I just finished building my koi pond and rite now is looking for filter media and kois afterwards. Could u guys inform me which store I can go to find such things ? There are only 2 places I have visited: Indokoi in Kebon Jeruk and Kasa Koi in Klp Gdng. Anymore places in Jakarta ?

Thanks a lot,

Soelistyo
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Aug 11, 2004, 4:30 PM

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Halo Pak
welcome to our 3 men crusade at the Indonesian forum here!
how big is your pond and what kind of media do you need? i think there are a few cheaper places than the 2 you mentioned.
you can email me at soelistyo@pacific.net.sg if you would like details.

if you are serious about koi, we should meet up sometime together with Pak Hasan. We can visit each other's ponds. I also have another friend who is building his pond now.

kind regards,
Joy

luckyl
Koi Lover

Aug 12, 2004, 9:33 AM

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Hi Mr.888 (Mr. Fat Chai ????)

Each places has their own media type with their own prices. U should compare the quality and then decided which one you like.
How is your filter's system build up ? What kind of filter media you plan to use ?? There are filter mate, bio balls, bacteria house, bio home, brushes, cotton wools, zeolits,..... So I suggest you plan it well so when your fish jump in, they really jump in a five star hotel Wink

, not a motel Unsure

. Then we will try our best to inform you the right shop to go. There are also dragon koi, royal koi, goldenkoi, sunterkoi, ........Cheers. Laugh

Which side of Jakarta you located ?

Hasan

koi 888
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Aug 12, 2004, 5:05 PM

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Well, actualy I almost finished building my pond. The problem is I encountered water source when digging more than 1 meter. Thus, I can only make my pond and filter chambers depths to be 80 cm max Unsure

. Now for the vortex chamber which is 130-140cm deep, the water from below still leaking ... any idea to fix this ????? Crazy

I tried puting water lily pot as the botom of vortex chamber but the pipe outlet from the pond is sticking out on one side of the pot and water leaks from around the PVC pipe. Can cements sticks well to PVC pipe ?? Crazy

Pls advise.

Paulino

koi 888
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Aug 12, 2004, 5:46 PM

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Hi Hasan

,

Nice to get responds from you guys. Ha3x Sly

no Mr Fat Chai lah, its just i like with number 8, thats all. So far I almost managed to finish my pond construction .. finger crossed Crazy

!!. Next step after taking care of the water leaking is to apply fiber paint/coat liner and buy the filter media which all could take 2 weeks to complete Unsure

. Cant wait to put those kois into pond............ Pirate

My pond designs are as follow:
Volume:
Pond: +/- 6 tons, Depth: 80-90 cm ( Unsure

, I know I know the larger the better but limited space and budget)
Vortex and filter chambers: +/- 2 tons Depth: 60cm to 130 cm

Dimension
Vortex: diameter 70 cm depth 140 cm (1 vortex)
Filter chambers: 60 x 60 x 60 cm (3 filter chambers)

Filtermedia
Vortex: roll brushes
Filter chambers (4): japs filter mats for 1st chamber, bio ball for 2nd and 3rd chambers, ziolite for 4 chambers.

Mechanism:
2 bottom drains (4' pipe) to vortex which also serves as settlement chamber, then connect to 1st filter chamber using two 4' pipes (intake from surface and outtake to the bottom of the next chambers and so on). Then in the last chamber (clean water reservoir) use 2 pumps to return water to the pond. I also placed one 2' pipe skimmer with outflow to the vortex.

What do guys think ?? Your comments are greatly appriciated. Btw, is cement pond better than pond with fiber coating liner (that black paint thing) ?? How about bacterial booster (sold in bottle to start up baterial growth especially in new pond) Does it really works ? And where is the best place(s) to buy the filter material and kois (local & Jap) ?

I live in Klp Gdng area. Where do you guys live ?

Best regards,
Paulino
paulino88@yahoo.com

luckyl
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Aug 12, 2004, 6:13 PM

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Hi Paulino,

If the leaking is still inside the pond, cement will help as the water pressure is almost the same from each chamber. But if the water is leaking out from the pond to outside of the pond, then it is hard to deal. I don�t think cement can hold the water pressure. Try things like aquaproof etc, hopefully it help stop the leak.
BTW, I think having a pvc outlet from the pond�s wall is not a good idea. When I built my pond, first I lay a big plastic bag then I start to built up the wall and the base with cement and bricks with no outlet. When it is finished then I started to place the pvc pipe for filtering systems and then cover it with cements again. Leaking is a problem I never want to deal with.

koi 888
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Aug 13, 2004, 10:14 AM

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Hi,

Currently, I still have not filled the water cause we wait for the cement to get dried. Vortex is empty now and the leaking comes from underneath (earth) into the vortex (outside to inside vortex). It is minimal though around 1 liter per day. I planned to overhaul the vortex by building new base now. Will try to lay plastic layer underneath the base. Hope it works. As for the pond liner what do u think ?
And phone number fo royal, golden, dragon and others pls ...

Thanks,

kwachid
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Aug 14, 2004, 11:36 PM

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Hi there, you've got me as well, my name is Karom, I lived in Depok, I keep Koi since long time ago (local one of-course) but never seriously, I start my first pond 2.5mx2mx1m without filtering system, see how stupid I am then I browse the internet and make my first filter. now I have 3 ponds in my house but still not many Koi I have, I used to have about 40 Kois half of them died in the same time, that was my nightmare 4 years ago when I pulang kampung my maid over fed my Kois at the same time the pump was broken ( I tried to forgot that disaster ).
Anyway nice to know you guys, right now I am kind of restarting my abandoned hobby which is keeping the lovely Koi fishes, my 2nd and 3rd Pond have just finished couple of months ago. thanks - Karom

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elizabeth
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Aug 15, 2004, 2:20 PM

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hello guys!!! Blush

well i guess im the only lady in here!! Tongue

kwachid] ---} sorry to hear about Unsure

ur koi!! they r in the better place now! i lost 2 of mine too Crazy

started hav my pond for 3 months ago!! glad to see many indo gather arround!! i hav a small fish pond, got 20 fish on them they pretty alrite abbout 5-10 cm baby koi! oen of my butterfly koi got a pop out eye!! do u guys know the treatment for that?

inform me the koi shops in jakarta! as i wanna ask my parent to buy a filter for my pond! (i'm using an aquarium filter now ( accomodae 1800 ltr each i got 2) now im studyin in syd! my pond is in sydney too!! in here its hard to find a inground filteration!! well im just gonna buy it from indo and get my parent to send it to sydney!!and napa ya the colour of my water is a tea color/ brownish im using a liners!any idea what causing this?? i use bio chem ( katanya bisa jadi clear) but still dont see any improvement!!

well what r u guys feeding ur koi?? hikari?? well that is the brand i fed my koi with!! Mad

my koi a bit pickie!!

cheers,

tya

luckyl
Koi Lover

Aug 16, 2004, 9:27 AM

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Hi 888,
Sorry for the late reply. I never open my comp saturday and sunday. Left it in my office. No business for saturday and sunday, so does koi forum... Cool

There is a special black paint for the pond. It will make your pond looks clean and clear. Dragon koi and golden koi have it, the rest I'm not sure.

Dragon koi - 5674758, 5674759 (greeen ville)
Dinamika koi - 4615546 (Taman pegangsaan, close to u )
Golden koi - 70711478, 278
Royal koi - 5658062
Indokoi - 5324438

Luckyl

luckyl
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Aug 16, 2004, 10:23 AM

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Hi Elizabeth & Karom,

Glad to hear from u guys..Welcome....
First I thought only me and soelistyo playing the double team in this forum, now we even have double mix. Its nice to have a young lady in the group too...

ahhh...Karom !! If i only bulit my pond just like yours (no filter first), . I will be able to get more spaces for my pond. Then built a complete TT tower....it will be a blest in disguise Crazy

Tya, If you got a pop eye, I suggest to quarantine it first of all. Put lots of areation for it. A lot of medication for pop eyes. But first you can check this forum for pop eyes in the 'health and medication', just search for pop eye or popeye. I never experence a pop eye before so can't tell much, but lots of master will tell you how in the health section.
I also got a kind of very light tea color but crystal clear. Don't know why, maybe cause I'm using a well water, not a tap water. If you feel frustated to get a crystal clear, then this is what I do but need lots of work. I arrange my system contraversy with the most systems. My first layer is the white cotton wool, then second is the taiwan mate (deep blue color). Then the rest is the biological filtering systems (bi0-balls, bio home etc). By this All the big, small, tiny, microns debris will not pass through. But then I will have the cotton wool and the taiwan mate washed twice a day, or else they will 'macet'. Lots of work, but then I have my pembantu doing it Blush

... and my water is crsytal clear. Sly

If your pond is still 3 months old, i suggest you check the water parameters (minimum - ph, amonium, nitrite) weekly so you have a good and healthy enviroment for them. Starting to feel stress rather than joy ???? Welcome to this hoby....

Luckyl

koi 888
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Aug 16, 2004, 10:25 AM

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Thanks a lot luckyl !!! Smile

No problem for late response since I m pretty occupied fixing my pond during weekend Pirate

but I managed to visit Dragon Wink

. Seems they hv reasonable price for the material (brushes, food, etc.) but those kois rather suspicious to be sold at Rp. 75rb to Rp. 200rb (sizes 12-15cm) which are Japanese kois ??????? Shocked

since other places (Indokoi) sold cheapest 350 Rb. for the smallest one !!!! Frown

Just called Dinamika which is close by, sold cheapest 800 rb for 20cm size. So far evryone i contacted run out of Jap filter one (the thick, hard type) Frown

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Anyway thanks again for the info. Hope we dont work too hard today since its Harpitnas (he3x) and office is half empty .. Cool

luckyl
Koi Lover

Aug 16, 2004, 10:31 AM

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Hi 888,

Jap mate. Try Grogol area.....lots of aquarium accessories.
Try Laris...5671025, 5603450. They also have the smaller sizes.

Lucky.

koi 888
Koi Lover

Aug 16, 2004, 11:23 AM

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Hi again,

So, Dragon sells real Jap koi then Blush

. Ehmmmm, interesting. They hv some ginrin chagoi. Is this ginrin going too last when it grow to larger size ?? Btw, u keep Jap or local kois ?

Btw, thanks for the Laris info once again. But Frown

they also hv no mats.... thats oke. I heard from Jakarta Koi Ctr that they will hv some by the end of this month.

koi 888
Koi Lover

Aug 16, 2004, 11:51 AM

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Hi tya,

I m a beginner myself and also curiuos to know about this hobby !!! About the filter, only as a suggestion, u should be able to find filter equip in aussie too b/c if you ship it from Indo to Sydney its going too cost u a lot !!!

Here in some shops in Jakarta they sold Oase filter which is sold in 2 type - 5m3 and 10 m3 volume. Pretty compact and lightweight. But dunno about the performance. Check kasakoi.com they sold this filter.

As for the pop eye, brownish water i couldn't help but it is probably b/c of the filtering quality. What type of filter u currently use now ?

elizabeth
Koi Lover

Aug 17, 2004, 10:20 PM

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hello guyss!! bapak2!! apa kabar!!

Crazy

yet lost another 2 kois!! they died this morning when i check on them!! Frown

total of 4 kois Frown

not happy at all

i used a oase filter pond, with a fountain as well but this one does do the filteration job properly so i bought another 2 normal aquarium filter! which i think is all rite but still hopeless!! Ancur Abies Mad

!! well im going to try to make my own filter ! after im getting a new water pump/ filter from indo. i still need to learn a lot in koi keeping Smile

Change the pond water (murky colour)as well so capek!! no pembantu!!heuheueh Frown

well guys thats what we called with THE JOY OF KOI KEEPING Tongue

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cheers

Soelistyo
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Aug 18, 2004, 5:02 PM

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buy a pond filter from Jakarta to send to Sydney? Shocked

why don't you try contacting Tewa Kois. they're somewhere down under, but i'm not sure if it's Sydney or not. seem like nice people, maybe they can help you with your pond. the website is http://www.tewakoi.com/Products.htm

mudah2an membantu.

good luck
Joy

elizabeth
Koi Lover

Aug 18, 2004, 8:41 PM

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hello!!

thanks a lot for the website, ive send them an email! ask whether they re in sydney or not!! but i dont think they are! usually internet site that is in Oz got "au" at the back!! Wink

do you guys know about the titan2000 filter made by hozelock is good?? beacuse i dont want to spend much money anymore in filter like i did before!!(tertipu) i got a mislead information that a fiter and a water pump r sort of da same! so then i bought the pump(to make "air mancur") then the water become so dirt full of pup!! after a while i had it then i started looking for a real filter, well the aquarium shops offered me to buy a normal aquarium filter! well i bought the filter it look alrite but then doesnt really working well! Laugh

finally and lastly i bought 2 1800 ltr/hr "merk atman" lumayan bekerja! but my water still hasnt really change! but know i learn from my mistake just get it from indo! its easier and most important of all pasti bekerja!!

do you guys constructed ur own filter or bought from the shop?

cheerss Angelic

tya

Soelistyo
Koi Lover

Aug 18, 2004, 9:30 PM

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Bu Tya, Tewa is in Oz but i'm not sure if it's in Sydney. Not necessarily so that Oz companies have .au in their add, cause their server might be in a foreign country. that's why it's called worldwideweb lah hehehe

most of us construct filter when we make a pond. it's most rational that way. if you buy a filter after making pond, all kinds of problem come up such as how do you back-fit the bottom drain and pipings? if you buy a ready made filter, there are quite a few brands. atman, as i understand it (i might be mistaken) is simply a pump. you still need filter chambers otherwise it's not a filter! pompa is not saringan loh.

if you have no other way of getting advice in oz, i suggest to check with your local koi club. there is a koi club in oz, i'm sure they'd be happy to help you. usually koi clubs have koi enthusiasts who'd welcome a new member.

btw, how big is your pond?

p/s: the owner of TEWA is actually a member of this forum. check out his posting: http://www.koi.com.my/cgi-bin/koiforum/gforum.cgi?post=38021;#38021
why don't you give him a private message so you can consult him directly?

ratulangie
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Sep 4, 2004, 7:28 AM

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Hi Guys, I have not browse this koi.com for quite sometimes, and was not aware that we have Indonesian page, I just a new comer on koi game over a year, I have a letter L pond in front of my house, with around 20 kois from 15 cm to 60 cm all local kois some are deformed kois but nice colour, poor koi nobody wants it because it was not in its best shape. I build my own filter using plastic storage box, plastic and clay flower pots, using bioball fliter. See you guys in next post. Best regards, Aswin

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