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Soelistyo
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Feb 6, 2005, 5:19 PM

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Finally! the first official pond visit for this forum's Jakarta members took place yesterday 5th Feb 05.

The venue was the pond of Luckyl (aka Hasan alias H.Udin). Total members who participated was 5.
Rullysim (Rully) arrived on time @ 11AM. While rendy_e (Rendy), Maris, and soelistyo (Joy) all practiced the typical Indonesian tradition of "ngaret" meaning rubber time (where an 11AM committment might be stretched to start at 11.45AM instead, usually accompanied by the automatic excuse "stuck in traffic jam."
Rendy arrived with a frown after having S$xxxx worth of prized ranchus devoured by his ex-favorite dog the previous night.
Maris arrived looking everybit like the man he is: constructing his first pond (50T including filter) and money in his pocket to add to his initial collection.
Rullysim brought his beautiful family and also curry puffs.
Soelistyo brought a measuring tub so none of us would have to bear witness to luckyl's scientific method of measuring koi using his fingers.

Luckyl's indoor pond is around 6T (is it right, luckyl?) excluding filter. He has about 14 koi, mainly tosai kohaku offsring of Eagle/Bentley from Momotaro. the biggest fish was a Sakai and a Hoshikin kohakus around 60cm, while the tosais were around 36-40cm. Luckyl also had a magoi hybrid kohaku which had grown from 25+cm to 45cm in barely 6 months.

After the pond visit, Luckyl invited everyone to lunch at a nearby restaurant none of us had tried before including Luckyl himself. The food wasn't the best but Luckyl pre-empted any potential complaints by picking up the check once the waitress brought it over. Everyone other than Luckyl thus agreed that the restaurant was actually not bad at all, at least in terms of cost-performance, since the cost was zero rupiah to our pockets. Thanks again Luckyl.

From the restaurant, we made our way to GoldenKoi, the largest dealer in Jakarta, specializing in Sakai fish.
what should have been a 15 minute drive ended up an hour long, as traffic congestion was surprisingly bad for a Saturday. Nobody seemed to mind too much, though, except maybe for Luckyl and Maris who drove their own cars while Rully smartly had his chauffer along and Rendy / Soelistyo were also wise enough to leave their cars at home and hitched a ride off Maris. Laugh

At GoldenKoi, what was intended as a "just looking" excercise inevitably ended up as a koi-buying expedition. Culprit being Rendy, who started the ball rolling by picking up a beautiful tosai shiro from Sakai's last auction. A purchase made allegedly to cheer himself up after the demise of his beloved ranchus. The rest of us didn't need such logical excuses to follow suit.

Maris, encouraged at the remarkable progress made by a small auction showa he had purchased the week before, followed by helping himself to a tategoi auction shiro.

Luckyl, Rullysim, and Soelistyo at that point were still strongly resisting the evil tempations to buy, preferring instead to stand and admire a few pieces of 25cm auction tosai kohakus priced at a whopping Rp25million (RM11,000) apiece. Upon hearing that the koi were in fact sold fishes, the 3 of us started going "Sold? oooh d@mn! that's too bad!" as if we would actually contemplate facing divorce proceedings from our wives in exchange for splurging on those koi.

Then somebody (i think Maris) started looking at a pond of tosai kohakus 20cm+ which were Benihanako offsprings. Rendy had previously bought a few pieces from that pond which had progressed very well at his place, growing from a meager 16-18cm to 30+cm in 3 months. Not wanting to miss out on Rendy's good experience, everyone started pointing at fish from that pond to be netted by GoldenKoi's staff.

The original plan was to buy 1 each, after negotiating a good collective price for 5 pieces from Wiwi (GoldenKoi owner). Wiwi had offered to give 1 fish free for 5 purchased, and he suggested to hold a lottery to see who'd get the free piece. Sensing the danger that WorldWarIII might very possibly start as a result of 4 koi-crazed hobbyists feeling unhappy at losing out on a free small koi to 1 lucky lottery winner, Soelistyo asked Wiwi to simply give us 1 free piece for 4 purchased, so we that we could simply divide the cost of the fish per piece and everybody thus gained. This was met by a collective "Setuju" (I agree) from the participants. Who says learning Mathematics in Primary School was a waste of time?

So everybody picked a fish, except for Rendy who already had 3 from that batch. Soelistyo agreed to buy 2 so we could keep our deal with Wiwi, but in the end it wasn't really necessary as Maris helped himself to 3. Thus the final total was 7 fish (3 for Maris, 2 for Soelistyo, and 1 each for Luckyl and Rullysim). Sorry i didn't take a pic of the koi we selected, but perhaps somebody else did? if yes please post them here.
Anyway, Luckyl chose a nice one step with slight inazuma, Rully took the one with the biggest body/head (now we know his priorities hehe), Soelistyo chose 2 with good skin, and Maris used his patented method of selecting fish i.e they must either have a very interesting pattern, or they must be fish that has been rejected so many times by other members that he felt sorry for it.

The time flew by and soon it was near 5PM and Rullysim's wife was tired of waiting in the car and sent his kids over to pull him away from the ponds. Luckyl's mobile phone kept ringing and from a distance of 100 metres we could clearly hear a lady's voice over the phone instructing him to return home pronto as our friend patiently nodded and told said "yes, dear, soon, dear. No of course I didn't buy any more koi, darling, don't worry." Maris, Rendy, and Soelistyo meanwhile were late for their next appointment to another koi dealer for photo taking of a superb Murakami sansai kohaku that Maris had paid RMxx,xxx for a couple of days earlier.

So we left all the purchased koi to Wiwi for picking up maybe a week later.

All in all it was great to finally start the pond visit ritual. Rendy has kindly volunteered to host the next one after the Lunar New Year, where we'll get to see his new 25T pond filled with nice tosai.

Cheers everybody!


Joy (Soelistyo)


(This post was edited by Soelistyo on Feb 6, 2005, 5:20 PM)


GCSpyder
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Feb 7, 2005, 8:46 AM

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hehe, excellent read, Joy. Sounds like you guys had a fantastic field day. I used to use my fingers too to guesstimate size of furniture but not on koi. Was he accurate using that method on koi? Sly Good stuff!


rendy_e
Koi Lover

Feb 7, 2005, 11:34 AM

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Thx for the comprehensive report joy, superb!!...It sure was an enjoyable evemt and good learning experience, rullysim manage to share his experience on the importance on watwerproofing and skimmer...I think everybody had a ball...Special Credit must go to H.Uddin he2 (luckyl) for voluntering and being good host...Smile

Well, if it's not for my limited budget, I thought those new arrival tategois are hard to ressist he2... One shiro isn't quite enough to get over my ranchu gireving he2 Laugh...well stuffs happen sigh...As for those nice tosai kohakus purchased, I am pretty sure that Mariss has some pictures captured...Well, I think we should organize one of those rearing competition for the babies (Jakarta version) he2, should be interesting to watch how the tosais grow in monthly basis...oh, we also met Koi888 (paulino) at golden just before the last group (me, joy, en mariss) left, care to give us some report paul?...Yup, I agree that Mariss' murakami sansai was a wonderful specimen Tongue, can't wait to see the koi swims at his new pond during future pond visit...

Lrite guys, I'll post my address detail sometimes next week for our 18th Feb gathering...I live in Bintaro area, so you guys might prepare for the transportation beforehand, saturday morning traffic should be fine...Again, this invitation is open for all Indonesian forum members...everyone's most welcome...till then, stay koikichi Cool...


rogermoo
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Feb 7, 2005, 2:21 PM

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Hi Joy,

Gong Xi Fa Cai! Nice to read about your exciting gathering over the weekend.

(1) Luckyl - his pond is only 6T and he kept 14 koi - wow! Still can't beat my record of 40+ in a 12 ton pond!!! BTW I took out 'Mike Tyson' - 57cm, 'Comma Head' - 60cm & a Showa - 63cm - all to be transferred to a mudpond (to be kept there for 6 months and see how they will turn out), which still leave me with 40+ in my pond.

Should be interesting to monitor the magoi hybrid kohaku-45cm in 6 months, still can't beat my latest momotaro sanke which grew to more than 45cm in 3 months! No need magoi hybrid, lah. LOL!!!

(2) GoldenKoi - wow! RM11,000 a piece for a 25cm auction Sakai tosai kohaku! Looks like the price of quality koi are going sky-high! Luke of Sentul Koi Farm sold a momo quality showa for RM10,000 which to me is expensive! Oh yes! Vincent also brought in some momo sanke & kohaku which are sold for around that price too, howerling at around RM10,000!!! Me? I would prefer to buy a good piece of art from some renowned painter. LOL!!! Just crazy!!!

(3) So you bought 2? Is it of the same, which means you offloaded RM22,000!!! Hi! post the pixs for us to view, likewise for the RMxx,xxx Murakami sansai kohaku. Never heard of this breeder before. Any infos on this breeder.

(4) Joy, you should come down to KL once more! We now have Sentul Koi Farm - managed by Luke Shori and he brings in good quality koi - Oomo's tosai showa, Hoshikin kohaku, momos, Nogami's, Koneko's, Dainichi's, Omosako's and the rest. Already creating some waves amongst the local koi hobbyists. There's where I put my koi to - for the mudpond. Right now, I have 2 momo showas, 1 Hoshikin kohaku, 2 Momo kohaku (Mike Tyson & Comma Head), 1 Oomo showa plus another Nigaata Showa going into his mudpond which is located at the bottom hills of Gentings. Water temp. around 15 degrees at night and 20+ during the daytime plus fresh mountain water. Do you think my 'Mike Tyson' going in at 57cm will come out at 70cm in 6 months, likewise 'Comma Head' at 60cm coming out 74cm & the Nigaata show going in at 63cm & coming out at 76cm? Estimating 2cm per month. He is keeping 10-12 koi in a 2000+ ton mud pond. Interesting, isn't it? These group of koi won't be coming back home to my pond btw cos by then, I wouldn't be able to manage them in my 12t pond. In 6 months time, when they come down to the concrete pond at Sentul, they will be going back to the mud pond again for another 6 months. See, jumbos on the way, in the making. LOL!

BTW, when will be the next Indonesia Koi Show? Would like to be there as a trainee judge.

Cheers & Gong Xi Fa Cai

Rogermoo


Soelistyo
Koi Lover

Feb 7, 2005, 7:42 PM

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GCSpyder, surprisingly he was accurate down to the cm in the case of the magoi (he had "measured" it as 45 cm, and indeed it was). he was off by a cm or two in a couple of other fishes but you gotta admire the bravado of the guy who after using his technique sms'd me to report that his koi is 37.3cm. heh heh.


Soelistyo
Koi Lover

Feb 7, 2005, 7:52 PM

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Hi Roger!
a bit early to say Gong Xi Fa Cai, but anyway, GongXi Fa Cai to you too!
1) yeah luckyl is still behind you in terms of stocking his pond. heh heh.
2) GoldenKoi - yeah top tosais are being snapped up left right and center here, it seems. nice to have a business where money just flows in i suppose.
3) my 2 new kohaku - RM11,000 per piece? My friend you really overestimate my buying power (and my economic sense). no lah, the kohaku we bought were less than 1/10th of that. very reasonable price. you still wanna see the pics, after hearing that it's so cheap? heh heh. Murakami is a small breeder, not in Niigata. But he's bred some very prominent fish before. I think Maeda-san would know him quite well.
4) no buss reason yet to go to KL but what you described certainly makes it tempting! Rendy, Maris, luckyl, and I are planning to make a trip to visit Singapore dealers, maybe we can swing by to KL. But you'd need to unwrap your covered S-Class to bring us around, cause there'd be 4 of us. (joke).

Indonesia show may be in April. wow now you are starting to learn judging? that's great. but be prepared for a big headache cause it's going to be English style.

Hope to see you soon!

Joy


GCSpyder
Koi Addict


Feb 8, 2005, 8:44 AM

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Hi Joy,

ya, and he probably told you that 37.3cm was minus the tail for therapeutic application purposes too. hehe.. Anyway, your first pond visit sounded fun and appeared to be a poorly disguised pre LNY shopping binge Sly Please post some pix for the envious.

Cheers,


(This post was edited by GCSpyder on Feb 8, 2005, 8:46 AM)


luckyl
Koi Lover

Feb 8, 2005, 10:18 AM

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Bravo Joy….. BrilliiaaannnntttSmile

Guys ! we have a good journalist here. I think Joy can be the trainee judge too..He got a good experiences about koi, the breeders, the pattern, the body, the skin, the head, the eyes, the smell, and most of all the value $$.$$$... Only goes to the pond with the koi “SOLD” ShockedShocked???? Keep going and you’ll got stroke looking at other’s koi but can’t have one… Just like Maris… can sleep for 3 days ????

Everybody must be careful for the next pond visit. Must behave now. Don’t come out the sshh..tt, sshh..ttt sound. I think I might go to saloon before, expecting our journalist would take a picture of me and put me as a cover on the front page of the forum….CoolLOL..

BTW, I’m very sorry I can join the next pond visit on the 19th Feb. Got to bring my kids for a school test. You guys go ahead. I wouldn’t be worry too much. Just wait for the journal...

Don’t follow my fingers Gcspyder, it only goes with those who can’t afford to have a measuring tub. But if you do it several times and you have faith on it, it will be OK. Expect some 1-2 cm error. That’s all. After all it’s for information only.

Maris took pictures at wiwi place also, maybe he can post some here.





koi 888
Koi Lover

Feb 8, 2005, 10:42 AM

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rendy, 2 bad i miss the pond visit activity on the 5th. hopefully will be able to join nxt pond visit at your place. nope, i dont pick up those 'on sale' tosai kohaku on saturday. instead i opt to do it on mondae since i couldn't resist the temptation of hearing ur experience in raising yours over 30+cm in such short period of time. well, eventually i pick up 2 of em: 1 is two step w/ good body and 2nd is one step of slightly zigzag pattern. both pattern looks rather heavy at this point of time but hopefully as they grow more volume will bring out some interesting pattern.

joy, excllent reportage ! surely you hv talent for writing, no i really mean it !!! well, saw your 2 step tosai kohaku selection at golden koi (i asked wiwi to show it for me cause want to see a koi sifu's selection). it would be an added value if there are pictures to share as well to better illustrate last weekend experience, would you kindly enough to arrange the posting of the pictures joy?

thats all guys, c u soon !


GCSpyder
Koi Addict


Feb 8, 2005, 10:57 AM

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Hi Luckyl,

Just teasing on your finger bit, as is Joy. That was a nice piece he wrote BTW Wink Still looking forward to see some quality pix.

Cheers,


Soelistyo
Koi Lover

Feb 8, 2005, 11:54 AM

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paul (koi888), i'm hardly a koi sifu i think you overestimated me Blush .

Luckyl, glad you liked the report. But what do you mean the "sshhht" sound?
btw, yesterday we (Maris and I) went back to GoldenKoi again. yeah call us crazy. I bought the shusui - even though i never liked shusui before. Maris bought 2 auction tosai sankes. This guy is getting out of control. Just before leaving, he decided he should also buy an auction tosai kohaku maruten because the pattern resembled an "M." so he took it too. hahahaha. And to think before we arrived at GoldenKoi he told me he was going to NOT BUY koi for the first time ever during a visit to GoldenKoi. Yeah right.

We also met Paul there. Apparently Maris and I are not the only crazy people in Jakarta who leaves work at half day to go look at koi, even in the middle of heavy rain.

i have pictures from Maris, but don't know how to resize them (sori, gaptek sih). if i can work it out i'll post soon. also have pics of my newly renovated pond which was completed yesterday. can't wait to put the koi in!

GCSPyder, don't worry i'm sure Luckyl knows we were just teasing him. He has a good sense of humor.
Lord knows when you go through life with a name like Uddin you'd surely need a sense of humor. hehehehe.


chewed
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Feb 8, 2005, 5:21 PM

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Joy,

excellent report, had a blast reading it. Looks like you guys been on a buying spree lately. GCSpyder & I have been looking at kois lately, heh heh... Looking forward to see some photos of the purchases you guys made at Golden.

Cheers
Derrick


rullysim
Koi Lover

Feb 13, 2005, 8:31 PM

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Joy .... ruarr biasa ... your report is just great.

I took some pictures during the visit but sorry forgot to take pictures of the kois we bought. You know, I was too busy buying that inazuma kohaku at golden Wink

So here are some pictures of H. Udin's collection Wink
Attachments: hasan's.jpg (39.4 KB)
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Soelistyo
Koi Lover

Feb 14, 2005, 12:44 PM

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well i have some pics from Maris of the koi we bought.
any volunteers to resize them and post here? if yes i'll send by email to you.
kind regards,
Joy


koi 888
Koi Lover

Feb 14, 2005, 3:39 PM

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Joy, pls email them to paulino88@yahoo.com. I'll give it a try to resize them.


Soelistyo
Koi Lover

Feb 16, 2005, 4:12 PM

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Paul,
sorry the file size is too big. i give up trying to email them to you.

btw, i believe you are ordering some koi vdc/cd's from the ikan hias mailing list?
i also wanted to order.
shall we just share and burn a copy each? hehehe.


rendy_e
Koi Lover

Feb 16, 2005, 4:55 PM

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hey guys, I saw the VCD ad on ikan koi mailing list this morning...I'd be happy to chip in as well, let us know paul...cheers...


Soelistyo
Koi Lover

Feb 16, 2005, 4:59 PM

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Ren, i'm picking up my copy tomorrow. will burn for you.


rendy_e
Koi Lover

Feb 16, 2005, 5:10 PM

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Ok thx joy, r u picking the VCD in Sumenep? he2...lrite I'll share the cost with u ya...should be a good watch...


koi 888
Koi Lover

Feb 16, 2005, 5:10 PM

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ren, i m okay wt that. but seemed joy already decided to get the vcd tom hence i ll ask him if we can split it 3 ways then.


rullysim
Koi Lover

Feb 17, 2005, 1:46 AM

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joy if u can email the pictures, i'll resize them for us. i went to golden koi to pickup the one i bought ... i found out from the guy there that you guys were from there yesterday and spent the whole day there. wow ... one of these days will you let me know if you have plans to go there? call me will you guys


rullysim
Koi Lover

Feb 17, 2005, 1:48 AM

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my email is rullysim@telkom.net try to send it 1 by 1


luckyl
Koi Lover

Feb 17, 2005, 10:03 AM

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Haiya.... copy2 later you got caught for that...
Anyway....count me in....hehe....


Soelistyo
Koi Lover

Feb 17, 2005, 1:40 PM

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these are vcds of private ponds, Din. heh heh. and we have permission from the pond owner to make copies for fellow hobbyists, so no copyright infringement, don't worry.

but good of you to worry about that point. so for your case, we'll give you special treatment. i.e. just play the video for you when we meet. Rendy has very nice video room at his house. no copy for you. Sly

 
 
 



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