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dasman
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May 23, 2006, 10:03 PM

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Angelic this is my first time in this forum. I have a koi pond in illinois that is 21' by 12' and at its deepest is 3'. my largest koi is 14" my smallest is 6". i have 11 koi. also in the pond is a 5"turtle probably a red ear slider. lately my lilly pads are disapearing. usually the stem is snapped a few inches below the water and the damage occurs at night. is the culpret in my pond or am i recieving nightly visits from something else? I would appreciate all info you can give.


Muad`Dib
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Jun 21, 2006, 8:00 AM

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Sounds like a night visitor. Unless your turtle is becoming active at night and is damaging the plants. Is there any other damage?


mashimarojkt
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Jun 22, 2006, 4:15 AM

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I believe the problem to the damaged stem is caused by the koi. They tend to eat/destroy plants, for I have witnessed it many times before. I added in new water plants and days later they're all in pieces. However I am amazed at some koi ponds where the koi and lilly plants could cope together so well, I envy that. As for your turtle, its a no no , do not put your turtle in the same pond as your koi, the turle will eat the koi or will caused bodily damage to them. You dont want to come home one day and find a chunk of flesh from your koi missing.
Thanks ^_^
John


larz1
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Jun 22, 2006, 8:29 PM

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My koi peacefully coexist with all of our plants, including several lilypads. They do munch on them a bit, but not to excess. I would get rid of the turtle though. They might look cute swimming around in the pond, but they can become aggressive and take chunks right out of your Koi. Koi ponds are best left to fish only. Nothing with teeth, beaks, or fangs allowed.


dasman
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Jun 23, 2006, 12:16 AM

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no there is no other damage. i have since segregated the lilly pads from the koi and the damage has ceased. still curious though on other replies about my turtle. everything i have red said red ear sliders are not a problem with koi.


dasman
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Jun 23, 2006, 7:17 AM

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I also have a question about koi salt. How much per gallon or thousand gallons. I have a 2800 gallon pond. Also I have a few blue gill inthe pond, will the salt afect them?


femme_artist51
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Jul 7, 2006, 8:53 PM

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Hi,
Our koi expert, he says to throw a handful of salt in your koi pond. He does it once a month. He said every 4 to 5 weeks.
My worry is, can the salt build up in your pond. Our smaller pond is about 3500 gallons. We change out our water alot. We let it overflow, so we cannot build up too much salt.
Hope this helps, Lynda

Oh my koi chomp on plants all the time. We have a huge potted plant in our pond, on one shelf. I have seen the koi work as a group to try and knock this plant off the shelf. They have already knocked the iris in the pond.
Bad fishies. Bad Bad. They are very spoiled fish.


dasman
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Jul 8, 2006, 4:38 AM

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thanks for the info. is koi salt the same as salt in a marine tank? I know thet are packaged different but they could be the same . I have two marine tanks(a 72 gallon reef tank and a 180gal fish only) So I have plenty of marine salt on hand.


femme_artist51
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Jul 8, 2006, 5:39 AM

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Hi, yes I was told to use marine salt. I use a coarse salt that we purchased at the pond place. I also used Marine Salt. So I guess it would okay as it didn't hurt my koi. I still would ask someone. I also think they call it sea salt. It cannot have any chemicals in it like table salt has. Take care, good luck, Lynda


larz1
Koi Kichi


Jul 12, 2006, 9:03 PM

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The main thing you want to avoid in pond salt is anticaking agents like YPS.
"Water softener salts with additives to prevent rust and corrosion, such as YPS, are potentially deadly to fish. YPS, yellow prussate of sodium, when exposed to UV (like, sunlight) produces arsenic in the water. Not a good thing. Anytime we are dealing with something unnatural from the perspective of what we would reasonably find in natural water, is a red flag to us, so, stay away from water softening salts with any kind of additives. Period." (source REC at KoiVet)
Otherwise any off the shelf salt is fine. Sea salt and others specifically marketed for aquaria use are no different than ordinary solar salt so long as the solar salt has no additives which must be listed on the label. The ONLY difference is that "Sea Salt for Aquaria" is packaged in small bags and sells for a high price while ordinary pure Solar Salt sells in 40-50 lb bags for less than $5Wink.
A handy guide for salting ponds safely can be found here;
http://www.cnykoi.com/calculators/calcsalt.asp
Just enter the values you're looking for and "voila" there you have itCool.

As to Koi munching away on plants. The thing I've noticed is that Koi eat what they NEED. If they have a well balanced diet they tend to leave most plants alone. The exceptions would be water lettuce (which they just can't resist no matter what) and water hyacinth roots (phytoplanktons concregate on them and that's what the Koi are really after)
Last year we had a potatoe vine (ornamental, not real potatoes) growing on the edge of our pond. The vines/leaves hung over into the water and all of our Koi would snack on it daily. Our water lillies, celery, iris, papyrus, etc... on the other hand were left virtually untouched.Angelic

 
 
 



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